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Topic: Where the fuck is PROZAC?
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KnickerZohnonnof
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posted November 03, 2003 16:38
    
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Originally posted by KingKula:
I just think its utter bullshit that Kane always starts attacking my integrity.
Remember, he is the one who started the name calling in this thread and others.
Then along comes Knicker who loves to bash me as well.
I also dont appreciate being called a Nazi just because i disagree with the Jews.
They love to play the "Anti Semite" angle every chance. Makes them seem more downtrodden than they are.
Its the same as the Black people playing theyre racial card. Totally BS!As far as being amongst friends here...
Not with Kane or Knicker. No way.
Those two can go straight to hell.
Hex, i will forgive, because i like the guy anyways. There was nothing wrong with my first post in this thread. Go back and read it.
You will see how right i am.
Sorry there was...you automatically assume I'm conservative. You are totally wrong. I have voted Labour all my life and at this time actually feel uncomfortable that the present Labour Government is well right of my opinions, and I am seriously considering my voting options for the next election because many of the policies they are undertaking domestically simply aren't working. To all intents and purposes I am left of centre. As for the 'friends' jibe, whatever makes you feel comfortable I suppose. I'm not in the business of getting upset because people think the world is a better place without me...In fact such things inspire me and make me even more determined to piss them off. Life is far too short to worry about who you're upsetting. Black people playing the race card...Jews playing the semite card, yes we know it happens, I've seen it for myself! But the trouble is that racism and anti-semitism is still out there in spades and many still suffer abuse and violence. Your holocaust statement was offensive, end of chat and ties right in with many anti semite websites' opinions on the matter, so please don't get all upset when others accuse you of anti-semitism because you dug that one for yourself. Kula, I think Kane sums it up nicely. You are asked to back up the item you posted, and all you do is post another news item saying exactly the same things by the same group of disaffected people. Worst of all you have even contradicted yourself on the 9/11 issue! I rarely if ever post links here because I just don't see the point. On music threads yes, links to mp3's, info about bands and upcoming events, all that sort of stuff, good on those who post them and keep us all up to date. But what was so annoying about the links you put up was it was the same drivel just recycled, day in, day out. You either agree with my opinions or you don't, but please don't rant at me and throw chilidsh insults around, then cry wolf when they are returned with interest. It's not my issue if you can't take criticism or a gentle knockabout insult session without launching into a dummy spitting exercise. That is the bread and butter of politics. Either get used to it or don't stick your head above the parapet because believe me, with some of the views you have posted you will get a far harder time from certain quarters that you have had here.
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posted November 03, 2003 22:29
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Originally posted by Hatross:
........ ya may not like me cause im a yankee. 
but id prefer to be called a 'cowboy' babyee <-the way KidRock says it)
Hellu "cowboy"!
......  ....a close friend of our family is a "yankee". Cowboy, yeah! He's back in USA, where he was born. Not exactly a cowboy, he's gonna be a "riding instructor", teaching some of you folks over there riding horses the "european way".....  ....Devin, we miss him already, was my daughters (Sara, 20 yrs) boyfriend a couple of years.... still close friends... connected through email. So, no big deal you "yankee" ... ....like you anyways! cheers!
EDIT: He's 3/4 "yankee" and 1/4 "native american", don't want no mistakes. Maybe he's not a "real yankee" to some people.
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Delightful Little Capuchin Monkey
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posted November 04, 2003 07:58
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Originally posted by Silversurfer:
Since the beginning of this polital section you and your amigo Kane have been insulting Kula whenever you had the chance. He was sometimes rude too, but for a good reason.
Since you included me in that little quote, I figure I ought to at least clarify something for the hundreth time - and the last. Any political back-and-forth between me and KK was always a respectful disagreement on views. My proof of that is every single post in this forum up until his comments on the Holocaust. To say I've "insulted Kula whenever I had a chance" is plain wrong. The only thing I ever did was to ask for him to back up his words. Once he showed his true colors (regarding the number of Jewish dead in the Holocaust), I reserved no further respect for him. I'm not going to kiss the ass of someone who has that mindset., life is WAY too short for that. It wasn't a case of insulting someone because he simply disagreed with some of my views of world politics. I'll break it down. He opposes the state of Israel. Okay, fine. I'm don't support Israel OR the Palestinians. There are many innocents being screwed over by bull-headed leadership of both sides. I have no problem with someone having the opinion that one side is just and the other is not - I don't agree, but that's life. Then he furthers his point of view on Israel with claims that they play up the fact that they were victimised by the Nazi regime by falsely inflating the number of their dead. While that may not offend ever fiber of your good conscience, it does mine. It's asinine. It pisses on the memories of every victim of those camps. It provokes the same degree of anger that stories of violence against kids and women does. The same nausea I get hearing of sexually abused kids. Just to try to make you understand how it makes me feel. It may not do that to you, but it does to me, and I make no apologies for it. Is there nothing in this life that makes you feel the same way as I do about this? I'm done discussing this. It's got to be boring the crap out of everyone. 
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posted November 04, 2003 08:00
war? victims? the Riddle?.....a knight....!
we have swedish knights!...Vikikngs.. the riddle is; what kind of Viking?..... ,from my point of wiew; "good" ones or "bad ..  ..ones!Warmongers; Try me! no mistakes! Not in this section!...... I don't mean UFO and lights out. EDIT: "Kane" is right about that; The number of victims in the camps are true! They have been documented. Swedish "bad" Vikings claim the holocausts didn't take place.
I CLAIM IT DID! Real anti-semites are pigs!
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posted November 04, 2003 10:27
I dont hate Jews, but i hate it when Governments use trajedy to further political gain (and profit).
The numbers of the Holocaust are greatly exagerated. PERIOD.
Since then, those horrible events have been used mostly for the gain of Israel.
Much in the same way 9/11 has been used by the U.S. Government, to gain sympathy for the
current criminal agenda of the Bush Administration.Israel are STILL demanding $$$ from Countries over the Holocaust issue.
You dont want to look bad by saying NO to this blackmail, do you?
You dont want to be considered "Anti-Semite" do you?
You dont want to go up against "God's own chosen people" do you? So...pay-up to the great State of Israel or be considered a Jew Hater. In the same vein... "You are either with us, or against us" -George Bush.
You either support the invasive actions of the United States and its brainwashed Citizens,
or you support "Terrorism." See the parallels here? Question the motives of Israel and you are "Anti Semite."
Question the motives of the U.S. (and Britain) and you are "Terrorist." I am neither one...and i am not afraid to question both.
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posted November 04, 2003 10:54
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Originally posted by KingKula:
The numbers of the Holocaust are greatly exagerated. PERIOD.....
........ "God's own chosen people" do you?"You are either with us, or against us" -George Bush.
You either support the invasive actions of the United States and its brainwashed Citizens, or you support "Terrorism." Qustion the motives of Israel and you are "Anti Semite."
Question the motives of the U.S. (and Britain) and you are "Terrorist." I am neither one...and i am not afraid to question both.
About the holocaust....I disagree, there were a lot of people killed; "jews", "socialist", Union people, "coimmis", ....you name it! Chosen people; Religion.... I belive all humans are born "equal". You just "inherit" your parents "religion"........ I don't care for any "religion". I have questioned both U.S. and Israel governments for motives. I also question Nazis motives. True Nazis would kill me if they could, for reasons you know of.
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KnickerZohnonnof
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posted November 04, 2003 17:49
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Originally posted by Silversurfer:
Knicker...
let me explain two things here:
1. I have no intention to discuss anything with you or anyone else here. Because I see no excitement in that at all. To be honest, it makes me sick.
Then why continue the thread, and better still look a complete fool by claiming that Kane is the catalyst for the insults when it is clear he was seriously offended by an inflammatory and false claim By Kula, and responded as such? quote:
Originally posted by Silversurfer:
I replied in this topic just as a support to Kula, not because he can't defend his attitudes or anything but because I agree with him in most of the things he said. So you see, there's no need to start another "war" here. Because I don't need that. I had enough wars in my life (real and metaphorical).So find yourself another victim for your political discussions.
Diddums. Indeed lend kula your support if you wish, but I disagree with his claims and I will continue to do so. quote:
Originally posted by Silversurfer:
2. You want names?
I gave you one name in my last post. I talk in riddles, remember?
If you are referring to me then back it up with evidence. If you don't want a 'war' why make claims about someone allegedly baiting Kula? In any case this isn't war, this is discussion! If we were at war I'd be busy finding ways to eliminate you, not communicate. quote:
Originally posted by Silversurfer:
Since the beginning of this polital section you and your amigo Kane have been insulting Kula whenever you had the chance. He was sometimes rude too, but for a good reason.
Well...to make this all short..I will just tell you this: I respect your opinion, but don't agree.
See, no namecalling. You guys can do that way too. Think about it.
How politically correct of you. Respect for a person's opinons is all well and good, but Kula lost respect from this quarter when he posted the Holocaust claim. Just read Kane's post and that is exactly what I felt when I read that post. Sick. He pissed on the graves of all who suffered in those camps. That is when I lost respect. Kula is also clouded by his hatred for the present administration, which is why I have trouble with many of his claims. I had a similar feeling for the Conservatives in power here, now I realise that much of what I read and believed about their 'corruption' was media hype. I think Kula will see likewise some years from now. And as for 'name calling'...People can throw what they want in terms of insults. Doesn't bother me. I read them, laugh at them, return the favour and carry on discussing. The insults are funny, but that's as far as it goes...no offence meant and none taken. My problem here is with Kula's views, not who traded what insult first. That is irrelevant and if that's the best excuse a person can come up with for throwing their toys out of the pram when they are challenged then that is the height of sadness.
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Silversurfer
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posted November 05, 2003 08:15
One final thing from me before I permanently leave this section.
So, my dear Knicker, you say you would eliminate me if we were at war?What do you know about war anyway (except from what you get from media)? I am talking about war in general. No matter where it happens and what nations are involved.
Let me give you some true war tales. I never thought I will speak this to strangers, but what the hell.
I felt war directly on my skin, and that's why my political attitudes are anti-war based, that's also why I will never understand how could anyone support such a horrible thing, in any possible way.
13 years ago, here where I live was a real war...real...meaning civilians are the main target. You have no idea what a feeling it is to hide in a shelter and hoping when the damn air attack is over you will find something above the ground. Like your house, friends and family alive etc. You have no idea what a trauma it is to see dead people around you. And why? Just because of usually 2 stupid minds who couldn't solve some problems in a civilized way. The easiest way is to kill people. And then, in my case, those stupid minds end up in Haag at various trials, get something like 50 years or something like that. That is so sad.
Back in 1991 I saw how my friend from class was shot. She was walking with me down the street of our capital. Some brainwashed psycho shot her just because of her nationality. Maybe he would do the same to me, but my reaction was quick and saved my life.This is the trauma for the lifetime.
Do you know how many people here have diagnosed PTSP? Studies here have shown - 78 % of all the men and women who were on the Front. How good is that? War ended 10 years ago, but those people will suffer for a long long time. My ex husband is one of them too. PTSP diagnosed back in 1995. But it's not only that...you know how those people act, and more than that, how people around them suffer and pay the price too. In my case...the price was divorce. The real consequences are unfortunately left to my kid.
So you see, my dear politician friend,war is not only what media wants you to believe. War is not numbers and evidences. War stays in people's souls and they feel consequences for as long as they're alive. I know I will. And the jerk who caused all that is still in Haag waiting for his judgement, pretending like nothing ever happened here. His stupid mind destroyed thousands of families here. Not to mention how many people were killed. I lost 2 relatives and 5 friends.
That's something you will probably never understand. You were sitting in your chair in your nice, cosy and safe home probably watching that on TV. You don't care about those people, how do they feel.It's happening far away from your safety. All you care about are numbers, evidence.
What is important to me is how do people like that feel now, and also until they're alive. How many of them will commit suicide or kill each other sometimes, because they can't deal with their posttraumatic stress syndrom (and at the same time the almighty goverment refuses to give them primary medical and psychological help).
To resume...this is where my anti-war attitudes are based.People who didn't feel the fear of a real war will never understand and continue supporting terrible things like that. Again I say, no matter what place or nation is involved.
And also back to what I was talking about in my previous posts...I support Kula's attitudes because they are in general anti-war based. At least he cares about civilians and their feelings, he's trying to find information about that from multiple resources.All those links he's posting have a lot to do with it. You are all so wrong about him. This man has a bigger heart for everything on this planet, than all of you together. He just sometimes can't show it in a proper way here. He explodes easily, so you all get the wrong opinion.
Well I won't repeat the same things I already said before.
Knicker...I just want you to know that it was very hard for me to open my heart on this touchy subject. Please don't take this as a challenge for further discussion. Not my intention. I just wanted to show you some of my personal war related "evidence" as something for you to think about. Nothing else.
Now...Carol is packing her personal garbage and leaving the front.
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posted November 05, 2003 09:03
This is.....just what I tried to tell you. IINOCENT people are the victims. No matter where, who, for what reason....... ,makes no difference!Post trauma... If there is somethng I know of... I know of that! DO SOMEONE ELSE UNDERSTAND? Are you blind, don't you hear, can you read, if you can't,, then let someone read it for you! TRY to understand.. borderlines, frontlines! A song for while I'm away. /T.L. why so important,,,, "now I'm headed for the border...." The Lyrics, so important! Now when I read the post above, I'm out of here, yes this ..... Hate it when people get hurt. Do you know their story. .. NO, SEEMS YOU DON'T....
TRY UNDERSTAND
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posted November 05, 2003 09:25
Did I forget something
YEAH should have posted the LINK to the Olof Palme center. anti-american? don't know.He was shot. Where are the traces of the murderer. No one knows. rumors. Our SÄPO, how come they didn't they find him. So many people cheered when he died. 1986. I DID NOT! Here is the link in ENGLISH: web page Read it. Searhc it. it's about innocent people.
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KnickerZohnonnof
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posted November 05, 2003 16:39
Silver...First off, I have NEVER believed war to be anything other than a last resort. What happened in the Former Yugloslavia is not what is being undertaken by the Allies in Iraq, there is a difference. Milosevic was the architect of the race-hate campaign that destroyed the entire fabric of the Former Yugoslav republic, and I can't imagine what it is like to have suffered at the hands of this man, my thoughts go out to those still traumatised by his deeds. But Iraq is different. The Allies want to give back the Iraqis their country for them to rule. It's messy, it's certainly not pretty, and it has been the centre of some pretty awful scenes in recent times. But we are in this situation because the 13 years of diplomatic activity was not working. If you think for one minute I wanted war you are sadly mistaken. If you think I don't feel unease when another day of Allied soldier killings gets broadcast all over the World then that is another misconception. But here is the crux: If you think that I would have our troops in there if there was a diplomatic solution available then you are totally wrong about me. Hussein could have stopped all of this, but he chose to take us down this path. His games of diplomatic brinkmaship, constant flouting of UN resolutions, not to mention the terrible treatment of his own people, the banning of certain religions, the torture of anybody who dared oppose him, the senseless killings of Kurds and Shi-ites, do I need to continue? He was a massive destabilising influence in the Middle East and he had to be removed. If we stood by and did nothing what then? More innocent people killed by his henchmen, more poverty and suffering for the masses of Iraq, more support for the suicide attacks against Israel, and maybe another chance to procure what he always wanted; a nuclear weapon. At the end of the day this comes down to judgement, and in this instance I think that, in spite of the casualties, we have to do this. The long term consequences of inaction were not even worth contemplating. To other matters...You mistinterpret much of my post. I said plainly this wasn't war but discussion. IF I was at war with you I'd be looking at ways to eliminate you. Notice the word IF. Do I need to explain this...really? I am not at war, I am in discussion! I am communicating my thoughts! I'm not looking to kill you for crying out loud, why on Earth would I want to? You have done nothing to me, I have no reason whatever to be at war with anybody here...I can't believe anybody could think otherwise. And another thing...Challenge what exactly? You have given us a very personal account of some terrible events that you have witnessed. How can anybody challenge that? I wouldn't even contemplate it, I would be far more inclined to offer the arm of sympathy and support. You can't chase away such memories easily. It is a tribute to your courage that you were able to share this with us. That part of your post is something many of us cannot relate to and makes grim reading. But to me, after reading what you experienced and also reading about the terrible crimes committed in the Former Yugoslavia, demonstrate that sometimes war is necessary. You may not agree, and that is your personal decision based on your experiences. But I ask would Milosevic have stopped if we tried to reason with him? Did he? No, not at all, in fact he continued his barbarism all across the former Yugoslavian states. It ended at Kosovo, but not until many more were murdered by his henchmen. Please don't see this as me challenging you, it isn't. It is merely how I see these situations, and I just want to know how you think a person like Hussein can be stopped. We tried all kinds of diplomacy on Iraq over the last decade or so and it achieved nothing except more pain for the very people we wanted to help. I am all for diplomatic resolutions to conflicts, but it is an unfortunate fact of life that sometimes you need to stop diplomacy and take action. Some poeple out there understand nothing else. Hussein and Milosevic were two such people.
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Tangento
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posted November 11, 2003 10:43
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Originally posted by KingKula:
The numbers of the Holocaust are greatly exagerated. PERIOD.
I vow to stay out of this discussion, with the exception of this particular issue. Kula, you need to produce some credible sources and irrefutable PROOF before making such a statement. Were you there, firsthand? Not hardly. Not unless you are some sort of an omnipresent, All-Knowing Entity - able to see all that went on before his own birth. You are obviously making this claim based on the opinions of others. I personally cannot prove anything one way or the other, but I am also not the one running around claiming to have the answers. I do however have a few family members who would have serious issues with your claim.
-------------------- "You have the option to drill additional holes in the label,
causing the record to rotate off the side of the turntable" -Tom Ellard - Severed Heads
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KnickerZohnonnof
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posted November 11, 2003 13:32
Yep and most of those I don't believe for even a second. I thought you proclaimed yourself to be smart Kula? You seriously don't believe that rubbish do you?Most of those sites look suspiciously far right to me. Is there a pattern emerging? Are you really going to go against the massive collection of archived material on this subject? Whatever, but I'm telling you that the only people who seriously believe and support the revisionist theory are usually those who would have been Nazi sympathisers. Please don't tell me you side with these people. They are dangerous and their agenda goes far further than just 'revising' the Jewish existence on this World. -------------------- Hail Santa...
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posted November 11, 2003 14:21
Quotes, Studies, Articles, Documents...all are Evidence admissible in a Court of Law.
Such things i have provided Links to, over and over again.Yet you wont accept them, because they rock the boat of what you consider the truth.
Things you were raised to believe and taught in School.
You also believe that it is forbidden to question these things. Question the number of JEWS killed in the Holocaust??? How dare I!
Suddenly, i am a "Jew Hater" right? Sure, lets cover up the truth of the grand Hoax by labeling me with such names.
How ironic it is that the Jews were also once labeled.
Now they, and theyre supporters, do the same to those who dont support theyre lies.
I have been accused of pissing on the graves of all the Holocaust dead, simpily because
i question the numbers. I would have you know that it is not I who am guilty of such a thing, it is those who are continually using those dead people for monetary and sympathetic gain! The Government of Israel and every one of those Jewish Organisations and Lobby Groups.
The Holocaust Memorial Perpetual Sympathy and Tourism Industry. The well-researched Graphs, Charts, Quotes, References, Articles.... ALL ARE EVIDENCE! Yet none of you have even bothered to study them with an open mind. Revisionist...I am. Because the TRUTH needs to be told in spite of the hate i receive in return.
Telling the truth can be a Crime by those who wish to cover it up. The Crime of Thought.
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