not here baby !

who do you think the next people would be the muslim jihad went after, on a for-say that the U.S. was ruled by muslim regime ?

(imo) it would be any westernized mofo on the planet !! they would have their own little ethnical cleansing hitler scenerio going on. 'its all the same...
lets take it a step further than ethnical cleansing, thats so oldsk00l. where do you arrive at ?
enter christianity and democracy, we Love you, all peoples.

You think that radical moslem groups:

1. Allow their people freedom to speak their mind?

2. Allow their people to study and perhaps follow other religions, or even no religion at all?

3. Have news bulletins presented to their people that are unbiased, and people are free to look for alternative sources of news?

4. Are democratically elected leaders, speaking for the free majority and can be voted in or out after a given time interval, say, four years?

5. Don't live opulent lives whilst the people they rule over eke out an existence bordering on starvation?

Hmm interesting concept...

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I never said anything of what you said that i must think, which i never thought or said.

Hex: Ermm...what conspiracy is that then?

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What a disapointment Number 6!!!

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Originally posted by Knickerzohnonnof:
how would you see it panning out if radical moslems were to govern the most powerful nation on the planet?

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Its nice that you guys are always asking me for advice & my opinions.

I think that Hatross is mostly right on what would happen.
However...the way he puts it seems to me to be an overreaction, due to his not fully
understanding Islam, and rooted in his Christian upbringing...which teaches intollerance.

Let me be more specific.

"Muslim Jihad" led by which group? There are so many, with different methods of doing things.

"Forces every Woman to wear Gowns and cover theyre faces." They are called Hajib's.
It is as much a part of theyre Religion as Christians and theyre Crosses.
But this you know already.
What you may not know is that not all women are forced to wear those things.
Once again...which Muslim Group are we talking about here?
A good Christian example of the same thing are those Women in the Pentecostal faith.
They cover as much of theyre skin as possible, dont wear makeup, and follow behind the man when they walk.
I think that Hatross is really just afraid that he wont get to see girls in Bikini's anymore. lol

"Ultimate control over your populace imprinted at birth, religiously"
This statement applies in ALL Religions.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Bhuddist, etc.
Why then are the Muslims the ones being singled out here?
Why not also criticize the Jews? AH!...maybe its frowned upon to criticize them. Hmmmm.

"The people sit around and starve in the poverty while the muslim leaders live the luxury of life."
Yes...once again this is the case in every Religion and Government.
Do you like struggling while the people in your Government are Rich?
What about all the Christian Ministers on TV?
What about all the rich Jew Rabbis?
Another clear example of how only the Muslims are being singled out here.

"Who do you think the next people would be the muslim jihad went after?"
They would go after people just like you, Hatross! lol!

"Ethnic Cleansing." Hmmmmm. How many Jews were killed by a largely Catholic Nazi Germany?
How many Muslims are killed in Palestine by the Jews?
How many Hindu's and Muslims have killed each other?
How many CHRISTIANS have killed each other in Ireland?
You want to talk about Ethnic Cleansing...but only single out Muslims. Interresting.

You are hysterically overreacting in what would make a good Movie, with the proper Jewish Bankroll.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
Its nice that you guys are always asking me for advice & my opinions.

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Ermm, not quite. Opinion yes, advice? Mars bar anyone?

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Originally posted by Number 6:
I think that Hatross is mostly right on what would happen.

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Falls off perch in amazement...

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Originally posted by Number 6:
However...the way he puts it seems to me to be an overreaction, due to his not fully
understanding Islam, and rooted in his Christian upbringing...which teaches intollerance.

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You talk as if Hatross was referring to Islam as a whole. If you read again you will realise it is just the radicals he indicts in his post.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
Let me be more specific.

"Muslim Jihad" led by which group? There are so many, with different methods of doing things.

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Largely correct, except the goal is the same - namely to rid the world of the infidels, or more accurately, us here in the West.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
"Forces every Woman to wear Gowns and cover theyre faces." They are called Hajib's.
It is as much a part of theyre Religion as Christians and theyre Crosses.
But this you know already.

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Also known as burkas? Correct me if I'm wrong but this garment is widely seen as the 'tarring and feathering' of female sexuality. Women in western civilisation have to put up with more than their fair share, but in the radical groups, especially the taliban, women were stripped of any self esteem or ability to contribute to their community - except as slaves to their men.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
What you may not know is that not all women are forced to wear those things.
Once again...which Muslim Group are we talking about here?

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No, not forced, but definitely obliged, escpeially in the more radical Muslim groups.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
A good Christian example of the same thing are those Women in the Pentecostal faith.
They cover as much of theyre skin as possible, dont wear makeup, and follow behind the man when they walk.

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Granted, Christianity isn't a shining example of sexual equality.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
I think that Hatross is really just afraid that he wont get to see girls in Bikini's anymore. lol

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I personally would be mortified if women weren't allowed to wear what they wanted. Especially bikinis!

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Originally posted by Number 6:
"Ultimate control over your populace imprinted at birth, religiously"
This statement applies in ALL Religions.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Bhuddist, etc.

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To greater or lesser degrees, this is true.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
Why then are the Muslims the ones being singled out here?

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Because in radical areas, where most people are not able to access any other media except the one tv or radio station broadcast on behalf of the govenring party, they are fed only what these groups want them to hear. Contrast that with the western world, where anybody can question and debate current affairs and research from countless sources for the news without the shadow of persecution hanging over their heads.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
Why not also criticize the Jews? AH!...maybe its frowned upon to criticize them. Hmmmm.

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No, if the criticism is legitimate then there is no reason to frown upon it.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
"The people sit around and starve in the poverty while the muslim leaders live the luxury of life."
Yes...once again this is the case in every Religion and Government.
Do you like struggling while the people in your Government are Rich?

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This is relative. In terms of our economy we do struggle compared to our leaders, but this is not representative. In many Muslim countries goverened by radical groups the masses live in poverty whilst the ruling classes live lifestyles that even Western leaders would probably gasp at - Saddam Hussein's rule of Iraq was a classic example of this.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
What about all the Christian Ministers on TV?
What about all the rich Jew Rabbis?
Another clear example of how only the Muslims are being singled out here.

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I have never hidden my belief that religion as a whole is a hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
"Who do you think the next people would be the muslim jihad went after?"
They would go after people just like you, Hatross! lol!

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Yes, because we do not identify with their cause - therefore we are infidels.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
"Ethnic Cleansing." Hmmmmm. How many Jews were killed by a largely Catholic Nazi Germany?

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Cathoilc by statistics only. Religion was not tolerated by Nazi rule and many were persecuted - including the catholics in spite of a pledge from Hitler not to interfere with the Catholic Church which, like so many pledges, he reneged on.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
How many Muslims are killed in Palestine by the Jews?

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How many Jews have been killed by muslim extremists? Regardless of your views of the Israel/Palestine situation, both sides have done a fair bit of killing.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
How many Hindu's and Muslims have killed each other?
How many CHRISTIANS have killed each other in Ireland?
You want to talk about Ethnic Cleansing...but only single out Muslims. Interresting.

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No, we are just talking about muslims. It does not mean only muslims are capable of ethinc cleansing. You are jumping to conclusions too readily here.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
You are hysterically overreacting in what would make a good Movie, with the proper Jewish Bankroll.

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Kula, answer this question: What have the Jewish done to you that makes you feel so much hatred towards them?

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Originally posted by hex:
Why Knick? Don't you know? Jewish-Mason conspiracy to enslave the world? Destroy all free people? Drink the blood of Christian babies? They're going for YOU!
But there's brave resistence! Holy Inquisition was put in place many years ago to counter them, Hitler tried to stop them in the 30s-40s, now the brave young generation of those Soldiers of Mohammad - the fearless Mojaheddin - continues the great work. But those conspirators are cunning! They put a dumb puppet in US President's chair to destroy the Faithful Warriors of Islam! Horror of horrors! They're getting closer to their goals. We shold act NOW!
Oh well.

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Ahhhh...that conspiracy. Panic over

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Originally posted by Knickerzohnonnof:
Kula, answer this question: What have the Jewish done to you that makes you feel so much hatred towards them?

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I am not going to answer that question.
My reasons are for the most part personal and i also dont wish to get into a debate about Jews again.

It is best to leave that one alone and realize that I am who I am, regardless
weather anyone likes it or not.
Some things we agree on...some we dont.
Especially when it comes to the Jewish topic, which you and i both feel passionately about.

My problem here is that you show a lot of hatred towards the Jews, yet I see no reason of this, apart from something you want to keep to yourself. This isn't starting another topic about Jews, this is about trying to fathom put why you have these opinions.

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Hex. Yes, my boss is a Jew and i hate his Genetically STUPID ass.
But that isnt my ONLY reason for thinking the way i do. You must understand that.

I will not discuss this further.
It is pointless to attempt to show historical fact...to those who simpily wont listen.

Millions of people who do NOT live in the U.S. (incl Canada) or U.K., know what i mean.
Israel is a Terrorist State.
So is the U.S. and the U.K.

HISTORICAL FACT. Not a Kulatopia (plug) Fantasy.

it is harder to understand what you hate than to hate itself, to hate is easy but to know is another thing. to defend what you were born into takes alot of understanding that surpasses the lesser things in life (its all you have)

i would have to say, mr #6... you are very inovative with your words but lack the understanding of what you were born into and raised.
you need to shift your hate to those who want to destroy you and everything you have known and been rasied, people fucking hate you because simply...
"you rocked" and lived free, but they never have. do you live in a major metropolitan area ?

one of the first things the germans did to their own people was to destroy all the churches in germany !! and become an agnostic race, (without god)
i would not see how they were driven by catholic religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=agnostic

the germans were advanced 'yes' but were they ethical ?

You may believe or dont in what you want you're free to do that...and yes if they would wanna kick your ass you should fight.

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Originally posted by Number 6:
Wow! Seems like its 2 against 1 here. Yet AGAIN. lol!
That's ok though. Usual stuff.

Hex. Yes, my boss is a Jew and i hate his Genetically STUPID ass.
But that isnt my ONLY reason for thinking the way i do. You must understand that.

I will not discuss this further.
It is pointless to attempt to show historical fact...to those who simpily wont listen.

Millions of people who do NOT live in the U.S. (incl Canada) or U.K., know what i mean.
Israel is a Terrorist State.
So is the U.S. and the U.K.

HISTORICAL FACT. Not a Kulatopia (plug) Fantasy.

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Sorry, I refuse to have my country labelled as a terrorist state. Please retract. NOW.

Terrorism is 9/11. Harrods, London, Christmas 1983. Lord Mountbatten, 1979. Hyde Park, the changing of the guard cereimony, July 1982. The murder of Jewish athletes, Munich 1972, ordered by Yasser Arafat no less. Omagh, August 1998. The Madrid train bombings this year. Just a few examples. Acts carried out by cowards who had no consideration for the collateral damage that was caused. Now tell me when has my country's government sanctioned or committed acts like that? When has my country deliberately targeted civilians and actively rejoiced in their deaths? Do not compare us to the likes of the Taleban, Al Qaeda, Isalmic Jihad, Hamas, the IRA or other such organisations.

Histrorical facts...what historical facts? The ones painted on holocaust denier/revisionist sites you posted recently? The lies that websites such as heathenfront.com, burzum.com, anus.com, fuckchrist.com amongst others peddle(d) so freely? You take their words as gospel, do you? Don't even think to question their judgement, even though they quote Nazi officers as if they were decent, upstanding and honest servants of their country? What about Annki? Did you not read some of her posts on threads about the Holocaust? About people who experienced the wrath of the Nazis first hand? Do you think she lied about that to get sympathy for the Jews? So please, what historical facts? All I have seen is almost certainly revisionist gibberish. But facts? That's debatable at the very best.

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Retract? Never. Great Britain is a Terrorist State.
So is the United States and Israel.
But...on the same tolken...so are all the others you mentioned too!

Its funny how, on a Patriotic level, you are blinded by your own self-Righteousness.
Unable to see the history of your own Country's wrongdoings, while you wave your
corrupt flag around.

Oh...And dont ask me to point out what your country has done that is so wrong.
Thats a complete copout and shows everyone that you need to be told the things
that are quite evident in historical textbooks.
The things they didnt teach you in school, because they also...were too busy being blindly Patriotic.

Oh...And dont ask me to point out what you have done that is so wrong.
That's a complete copout and shows everyone that you need to be told the things
that are quite evident in historical VoivodFan threads.

Nice insults. Childish? What the fuck?
You are all just pissed off because someone has opinions different than yours.
Opinions based in FACT, not blind patriotism.

Pot-Clouded??? I havent smoked in a long time. Want me to pee in a cup for you as proof?

Reactionary? Umm....YES....I react when i am spoken to or about. Dont you?
Its called RESPONDING.
(Do they make Dictionaries for Monkeys?)

Ok....Lets now make that #3. Hex, Knicker and now Monkey...who love to jump on ol Number 6.
Its is so funny watching how you guys react.

Predictable and foolish as hell.

Make that #4

Warcorpse...you dont know the first thing about the Balkans.

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The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $568,744 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none

972 Israelis and 3,135 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

6,506 Israelis and 27,017 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

The Israeli unemployment rate is 10.4%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 37-67%.

111 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 595 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

1 Israeli home has been destroyed by Palestinians and 2,202 Palestinian homes have been completely destroyed (14,436 partially destroyed) since September 29, 2000.

60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements.

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Ok Hex.
Here are some more FACTS for ya.
I doubt you will even be able to see them right in front of your face.
Since you couldnt see all the others.
Oh...Knicker and the the rest of you blinded patriots should read this too.

Chronology of American State Terrorism

You cannot argue with the FACTS. These are Historical FACTS.
You wanted them...here, yet again, i present them.
I will expect your lame excuses and denial as response.
Typically predictable.

THIS is what its about:

This list of nations represents literally millions of human beings all over the world who have been brutally murdered — directly by the United States military/government or by its obedient proxies. Huge though the list is, there is yet more to add. But it does at least contain most of the known campaigns of American state terrorism, genocide and subversion — all of which are in the historical record for the whole world to see. God only knows what evil the U.S. government and military have committed that remains hidden.

And as long as the United States remains a military power, the list of state terror victims will keep growing.

Chronology of American State Terrorism

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neoclassical (Prozak) - I'm curious to know what has swayed you from being anti-Israel to pro-Israel in the months since you last visited this board...?
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We both know he hasn't swayed. This is the way they work, they want us to be confused. The more confusion they can spread around the happier these Neo-Nazis will be.

Do they really like "muslims"? Oh no, they don't. They don't care about the palestinian people as they claim they do. They do not want "jews" or "arabs" around.

Hitler, Hussein, Stalin... what do they have in common? GENOCIDE.

These people also hide behind religion. Before and during WW II the "Christian Lutheran Church" was the only "right" one for Hitler. Hermann Göring got married here in sweden in this kind of church. He spent a lot of time in sweden before the war.

So Catholics' was not desirable for the Nazis, they were unwanted. There are still people left alive to tell about this, German catholics', Polish catolics'.... and we all know "jews" and "gypseis" (and other "unwanted" people too) were victims of the holocoust.

Why do they seem so concerned about the palestinians and muslims. Most of all they hate "jews". They also try to get the people who's against the Israelian regim
to join their "ANUS".

They will use all kinds of "issues" to confuse people.

They don't give a sh*t for the "palestinian" people. The main thing for these Neo-Nazis is to establish some kind of new "human race": they call this "race" aryan. Have heard that word before both from Hitler and yes, it occured here in sweden too. Aryan? What the h*ll is that.

What do they have against USA? USA is a multicultured society. Nazis don't like that, they want to have borders between people.

Do they tell you all the world hate the americans. That is not true. Nobody hates the american people. We might have some disagreement concerning our Governments, but that is not the issue. ...
I'm not so fond of our present government here in Sweden

You can play along in their "game" if you suspect that you are dealing with real Nazis. I do not recommend it, takes a lot of time. And you got to be sure of what you are dealing with, they act almost the same way over here too. They are not worth the attention they get.

Today the most popular religion seems to be "ateism" or "satanism" so they hide behind this too. They also hide behind environmental issues.

Why do I care? One of my ancestors was one of the unwanted. Simple fact.

There only exists ONE HUMAN RACE. This is what I belive and nothing can change my mind in this.

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Chronology of American State Terrorism

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Im pleased you finally presented that specific link. Scroll down to "America and Africa" 1607 - 1890.

Thanks to my uncle I know I have ancestors from America, Russia, Lettland, Sami land, South of Belgium, Asia and the land that nowadays are called Sweden. My ancestors have been both opressors (terrorists) and victims.

AND let's not forget the crime against the sami poeple in my own country, whom are now called "indigenous" people here in Sweden. Don't forget the "indiogenous" people all over the world that almost have been eradicated from earth.

The europeans colonised america, now one of the states is called USA. We have Brazil, Nicaragua, Chile, El salvador and so on, where is the people that used to live in these countries before the european invasion and terror.

Africa, Australia........

No, we cannot change the history. How much important knowledge that died with the "native" people around the world is something we will never know.

There is no easy solution as I see it. I certainly have no answer.

So number 6, do you think eugenics are a solution. Or as an example draw a border around Texas and let it be a country of it's own. Who or what kind of people will have the right to live in your utopia?

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Originally posted by Number 6:
Knicker! I have been waiting for you to post.
Just the angry response i expected.

Retract? Never. Great Britain is a Terrorist State.

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No it is not. Retract. NOW!

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Originally posted by Number 6:
So is the United States and Israel.
But...on the same tolken...so are all the others you mentioned too!

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Untrue as well, but I will defend my own country...WC is perfectly capable of defending his/yours

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Originally posted by Number 6:
Its funny how, on a Patriotic level, you are blinded by your own self-Righteousness.
Unable to see the history of your own Country's wrongdoings, while you wave your
corrupt flag around
Oh...And dont ask me to point out what your country has done that is so wrong.
Thats a complete copout and shows everyone that you need to be told the things
that are quite evident in historical textbooks.
The things they didnt teach you in school, because they also...were too busy being blindly Patriotic.

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I was wondering when you would hint at our colonial past - yeah, the one that founded america - the country you live in right now. You are us. The europeans. Not just our ancestors - also the product of the eradication of the indigenous american indians. Without your history you probably would not exist.

I am well aware of my country's past and it's activities. Some I am not so proud of. The slave trade for one. But this happened many years ago. The acts I speak of have happened in most of our lifetimes. The acts our country committed, which I suspect you are referring to, were at times when war was a way of life and slavery and the class system was the accepted norm. Two different eras. There was no global media. Nobody really knew what was out there and as for political correctness...

I know my country's history well Kula. There are many things in our past that make me uneasy. But that is the past, and a pretty distant one at that. This discussion concerns the here and now. You accuse my country of being a terrorist state. Produce the proof or retract that allegation.

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