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Topic: A Discussion: Themes in Extreme Metal
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LyKcantropen
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posted March 03, 2004 17:26
    
Okay. So I just read Annki's post in the 'New CDs' thread, and I thought that instead of posting there, it would be good fuel for a good old debate.Do the themes expressed in certain extreme metal recordings affect the listener or make one a bad person? From my point of view, fuck no. Load of bollocks. Listening to "Angel of Death" does not make one a Nazi, or a supporter of Nazis, in the same way that listening to Emperor does not make one a church-burning loon. To be honest, I could give two shits about whatever lyrics and themes are expressed by the acts; most lyrics are indecipherable, and they simply aren't important anyway. I don't even read lyric booklets. The problem lies in people who do take lyrics far too seriously, and the very small minority of racist, neo-fascist fuckwads peddling their twisted beliefs through crap music. However, as long as the music's good, I couldn't care less if the vocalist is grunting about Mengele's disgusting 'experiments' (Slayer), amputating people in a kitchen (Cryptopsy), invoking demons in a stupid, cartoonesque ceremony (Mayhem) or jumping up and down on Satan's trampoline (Lawnmower Deth). Sorry if this post is a bit disjointed, but I think you can discern some meaning from it, somehow. 
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Trollz
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posted March 03, 2004 18:33
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Originally posted by Lycanthropy:
Do the themes expressed in certain extreme metal recordings affect the listener or make one a bad person?From my point of view, fuck no. Load of bollocks. Listening to "Angel of Death" does not make one a Nazi, or a supporter of Nazis, in the same way that listening to Emperor does not make one a church-burning loon. ............... I think you can discern some meaning from it, somehow.
Yes I can.
Listening to the music does NOT make you a bad person. There we agree! I'll try to explain: Here in Sweden we have some bands that have a direct link to the Neo-Nazi movement, those who sings in swedish about how the "blond" "arayans" are the superior "race" on our planet. In such cases there are some people that will be affected (often young men). Their lyrics are very important both to the bands and to the audience. I know many of us "metalheads" doesn't listen to the lyrics. I didn't do that when I was younger. Now when I'm an "old fart" lyrics have become of more importance. I cannot compare Sweden and Norway with other contries, it's well known that we here in scandinavia have a lot of trouble with Neo-Nazis. All this sh*t about "race hygiene" started here in Sweden in the 30's. The Nazis in Germany got many of their ideas from swedish twisted "scientists". I often have to "stop" myself from "judging" some bands because of the lyrics. I surely needed this reminder from you. Because there is no way I can compare the situation here in sweden/norway to other contries. I would be grateful if you (young folks) tell me how and if you react on certain lyrics. I like some "odd" lyrics myself, especially VOIVOD!  -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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Trollz
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posted March 03, 2004 19:00
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Originally posted by xXniaXx:
you hit the nail on the proverbial head. a great many people read way too much into things.............
When the Neo-N have their festivities here in sweden the lyrics in the music is very important to them. There is no hidden meaning in these lyrics, they have a very clear message.
But as you say; The responsbility is personal for every induvidual.
Some of those who has been "members" in Neo-N told me about how they just got in to it in their early teens and later, if they wanted to leave the "organisation" they were often threatened to stay "or something would happen". Sorry to tell you that there have been assainations among these. We have a special aid for those who want to leave, 'cos it ain't easy for them to deal with it themselves. -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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Trollz
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posted March 03, 2004 20:04
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Originally posted by xXniaXx:
....... those who say they didn't know how hard it would be to get out can't be serious, it's more likely that they never thought that they might want to leave some day (youthful ignorance). i don't think any song or band can convince someone to become a neo-nazi......
I have to agree with you, there has to be more yhan music to drag them into it. I think I react like I do because some of our scandinavian bands sell their records abroad, although the band sings in Swedish/norwegian.
I've never looked for hidden messages in lyrics as I know many "religious" folks do. Hmmm, I bought Black Sabbath's first when it was released, my mom was terrified...
...and just look what's become of me! No, I have to admitt I'm kind of "extra sensitive" because my daughter (12 yrs) has got a "light brown" skin colour and some people here in sweden label her as "halfbreed" and ........ yeah, I'm a mother and I love her and I don't want her to get hurt because of her skin-colour.
Know I can be a real pest, what's my excuse? I live in sweden and things are getting more harsh. But I can't keep myself off from Metal and Voivod.........  -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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Trollz
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posted March 03, 2004 21:26
I think I was most influenced by the 70's.
I had two kids in the 80's and one kid -92. I spent most of my time raising my kids, so the "music" had to "wait".
I have so much catching up to do now. I'm always very curious about the "thras rips" thread. I'm glad it's there, I have missed a lot during the years. Now I have time to listen to "my kind of music"... friends an same age as me thinks I'm a real lunatic, as I like Metal, I don't care what they think. You all on this forum seems to be professionals, guess if I feel stupid sometimes, like; here comes that amateur.. Yeah, i have a lot to learn. Just because I'm over 40 doesn't mean I know evreything. MUSIC; I learn from my kids and on the forum. Add: Of course I like the Voivod lyrics and a lot of other bands too. - "MetalMonsterMom"...  -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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Trollz
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posted March 04, 2004 01:57
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Originally posted by Charon:
...but as far as lyrics are concerned...I would not want to hang out with people who listened to racists music...."Satanic" music is different. I think you have more room there to not nessessarily interperate whats therein as completely bad.Unless of course its Manson you're talking about ...not that his lyrics make that much sense...at least not the ones he is solely responsible for because imo, its just crap coming out of his diseased mind......................
I never did care if the music I listen to is labelled as satanical. When so much horrible things are done in the name of religion it is just a "healthy" reaction to become an ateist. Blind Guardian, Queensryche, Clash, Raw Power, Sword, SYL, Soilwork, Slayer, Death Angel, Alice Cooper, Fear Factory, Cronos,Maiden, Priest Megadeath........ it's a long list, ( I haven't even mentioned bands like Scorpions and Thin Lizzy) maybee some are labelled as some kind of "satanical" music. It makes no difference, this is the music I like and the music I listen to. As for Marilyn Manson, I've not listen to more than a couple of tracks with him. He wanted some attention and of course, the way he looks, he got it. Can't say I know much about him. I remember how horrified people were about Alice Cooper in the beginning, I've always liked his music and today he seems kind of harmless if you compare him with Marylin...... No I'm not concerned about different "labels" in the music industry, Me and my 2 oldest (22 and 20 yrs) kids have some friends that struggle on trying to get somwhere with their music, metal of course (get more than "local" apperences). I think I'm gonna sit "headbanging" in the "old folks home" when I get really old. That could be fun, just the picture it... -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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Slaytanic
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posted March 11, 2004 16:42
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Originally posted by Maldorrröööaaarrr:
Another question: why are satanism and necrophilia only treated in metal music? Why isn't there satanic folk music or adult contemporary music about rectal torture? Just imagine a pop song with Carcass-style lyrics or Cenile Dion singing about worshipping Satan...
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For several examples, check out The Cramps, or the Meteors... But I agree they're not as explicit as some metal bands. -------------------- "Forty-five moments of perfection translated through a cautionary escape into the perils of the mundane, the inherent entropy in ultimate order, and the potential threats of eternal, unchecked apathy in civilization; all cloaked in musical expression so thoughtful, creative and forward thinking that almost a quarter-century later, few can even comprehend it, much less match it." (autothrall)
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Trollz
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posted March 14, 2004 15:35
Who the h*ll needs lyrics about blood and murder and all kind of terrible sh*t when the real world is so cruel..... Bands who just screaming out disgusting words....  Madrid te quiero Ten bombs exploded last Thursday morning, March the 11th, in different local trains around Madrid. At that moment, most of these trains were filled with people from the poorest areas in Madrid. A large number of them were immigrants from Eastern Europe and Latin America. The blasts resulted in 200 dead and 1400 injured. Who needs lyrics about murder, blood and violence...... -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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Trollz
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posted March 15, 2004 09:49
A hollow husk ? Emptiness, yes.... Afterthoughts, do I have any?
No, I don't enjoy this.I just gave my PERSONAL view! I don't say everybody elses opinions are wrong! My post above was about my own personal view on lyrics at the moment. AND I'm still not trying to blame
"dark/black/what ever" lyrics for what happens around us! -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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Trollz
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posted March 15, 2004 13:45
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Originally posted by Lycanthropy:
No, i said that my own post was a hollow afterthought, not yours......
I understood that you left your post for afterthoughts. (hollow = empty ?) husk =I found 3 different explanations in my on line "slang" dictionary.
1. The outer membranous or green envelope of some fruits or seeds, as that of a walnut or an ear of corn.
2. A shell or outer covering, especially when considered worthless.
3. A framework serving as a support. hollow husk = "empty shell of"
confusing, yes! Shame on me, I'm supposed to "know" the meaning of all those fancy words! *sigh* -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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Trollz
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posted March 17, 2004 03:13
"Nuclear", you explained what I was trying to express in my "swede-english", very confusing way.I could never had said it better myself! Thanks.....! -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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