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Topic: A Discussion: Themes in Extreme Metal
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KnickerZohnonnof
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posted April 22, 2004 15:48
    
Music is art, not ideology - the two are separate. When listening to Burzum's Det Som Engang Var for instance the very last thing that is on my mind is the ideologial mindset of the artist, Varg Vikernes. Such music makes me think of things far away from my real life. All this silly posturing, politics, world events, everything becomes meaningless. This is the same for all music I like, be it the melancholy 'Adagio For Strings' written by Samuel Barber, the beautiful ambience of Enya, or the sheer musical demolition hammer that is Nile. For me music transcends boundaries, crosses over faiths, unites people and ignores race. With Burzum I enjoy the music (well, except the ambient trips Daudi Baldrs and Hlidskjalf) but I steer well clear of Varg's ideology, which I find nauseating, childish and a bit too Tolkeinesque to be taken seriously.Music and ideology. Two separate entities, and that's exactly how it should stay. -------------------- Hail Santa...
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KnickerZohnonnof
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posted April 22, 2004 17:30
PE...I cannot agree with you on this...I will always regard them as separate entities. I just do not see it as healthy to combine ideolgy with music.Kula...Hymns are a form of music and ideology that I loathe, perfectly demonstrating my point. The two should be kept separate. -------------------- Hail Santa...
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KnickerZohnonnof
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posted April 22, 2004 17:57
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Originally posted by hexonxonx:
ideology is nothing. Just a moniker invented by mind-manipulating rulers and propagandists to control people, replacing what's truly an part of human beings - the world view. Music relates to the world view, not ideology. Replacing a world view with ideology is like tying a person to the bed of Procrustes.
That's pretty much as I see it too... -------------------- Hail Santa...
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Trollz
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posted April 23, 2004 09:22
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Originally posted by hexonxonx:
Yes. For those people who can't tell the difference.
Hey "hex" you are right. In the science of behaviour you can use different approaches when you are doing a reserch on a given issue. I can use different methods when I' m supposed to do a reserch in how other scientists approach any given issue. There can be a distiction between the words worldview and ideology, it all depends on how the individual interpret those words. Right or wrong. True or false. That is a method that scientist rarely use when they do a reserch in linguistic. They often use a different approach. As those "creatures" are not individuals they can not comprehend the distiction, because to them almost everything have to be true or false. Pfft. I prefer to use a somewath "common" language. Don't think we need these "orgies" in all kinds of "fancy" words. "Creatures" don't impress me with their "bleah" fancy words and "philosophic" bullsh*t. -------------------- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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Gorf
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posted May 20, 2004 22:45
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Originally posted by Delightful Little Capuchin Monkey:
Overanalyzing music KILLS the spirit of music.
Yes, but what if there was a subliminal message in a song speaking to your subconscious telling you -
"Slit granny's throat !" And then you went and did it, because you
thought you heard those words,
(and let's say you really hate granny to start with) and acted on it. Now, whether or not you believe in mind
control, brainwashing, or subliminal control
like suggestion, it may seem rare or
unexplained, but it is possible. I'm not saying Bocifous and Jack Daniels
make red-necks in the trailer park visualize
thier wives "cheatin' hearts" but booze
and country music can drive you insane ! Another question concerning Emperor
(and art) would be - Can you respect the artist apart from the art
itself ? If the guy is an asshole who wants to lynch
minorities or homosexuals, should he still
be recognized for imagery/sounds he creates ? William S. Borroughs, was a heroin junkie,
sexual deviant who tried to murder his wife
in a drug craze does that make him automatically null and void as a writer?
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neoclassical
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posted May 21, 2004 07:40
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Originally posted by Delightful Little Capuchin Monkey:
Bach's 'Minuet in G' (for instance) relies on nothing but the pure emotion that the keys of the piano or the strings of the violin can provoke. If someone is moved by the chord progression of what you consider to be 'mindless entertainment', should they convince themselves that they are actually NOT moved because there was not much thought behind the composition of the song? Music is emotion - pure and simple at it's very heart, even the most complex compositions. Venting anger, provoking laughter, sharing inspiration. You're moved or you're not.
Oh, wow, the tired individualist argument. And who didn't see THIS coming? Music is not just a chord progression, or a rhythm, when it gets to a certain level of complexity. It's an overall sensation created by immersion in all of its techniques, which are picked deliberately to give a context made of impressions. Bach's music, as Beethoven's, rings with European culture  Regarding an NS pop band, I think they have them. If you go to Resistance.com, I'm sure you can find some. Personally, I refuse to polemicize against pop as a whole, as many of the bands have musical ideals with which I agree - although, strangely, these bands rarely make it to radio. However, I'm keeping my REM and Filter CDs -------------------- http://bbs.anus.com/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001471
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