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Originally posted by Planetary Eulogy:
...and perhaps one to take punitive measures against the economically exploitive.

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Gas chambers, ovens, labor camps.

In your Utopia, what races are inherently inferior to you? Do homosexuals have a place in your society? Or do you discriminate and murder based solely upon your personal intellectual barometer? How about an honest, direct answer. That might help us all get to know you better.

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Originally posted by Planetary Eulogy:
Intelligence is itself a product of evolution, and using to increase our species' ability to survive and adapt is simply the natural course of action.

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No argument there...

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Originally posted by Planetary Eulogy:
The alternative to eugenics is passivity, and is thoroughly unnatural.

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No, this is not black and white. The alternative to eugenics has many paths. Inaction is one of many. One possible action that is largely absent these days is of course large scale war. Trouble with that is that if there really was another world war it would annihilate at least 80% of the species on the planet, the survivors left to deal with the deadly nuclear legacy. Only a very few species would survive, humans would not be one of them.

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Originally posted by Planetary Eulogy:
Deliberately breeding the unfit from existence is the course of prudence, and of nature (indeed, we merely do what nature would have done anyway, had pity not gotten in the way).

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No. Deliberate means interference. Interference is unnatural. We humans cannot take the place of what nature does. What we should do is take less pity, yes, but not actively seek to eliminate 'undesireable' elements. If you try and create a species free of inherent defects you will fall on the the very sword you used to take out the undesireables. The logic that you can better the species by eliminating the negative elements of it simply means that more negative elements will come to the surface. Our genetic structure is not perfect. It cannot make carbon copies of istelf. We are degenerating from the moment we are born, and nothing can stop this, which also means genetic defects would continue to afflict us. I would naturally assume that these 'undesirebales' would also have to be taken out. Over time, by continuing to eliminate these undesireable elements, your legacy would be an ever narrowing gene pool, and therefore less diversity, the very thing that true evolution requires. In essence you would create the end of our species using the very methods your science said would preserve us, because without diversity within a species it cannot evolve, and therefore it becomes extinct.

Conclusion: Eugenics is a non-starter.

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Originally posted by Delightful Little Capuchin Monkey:
Try being direct for once, pussy.

Gas chambers, ovens, labor camps.

In your Utopia, what races are inherently inferior to you? Do homosexuals have a place in your society? Or do you discriminate and murder based solely upon your personal intellectual barometer? How about an honest, direct answer. That might help us all get to know you better.

So far you're all textbook blowhard and no guts. Your postings are like transcripts from some insane episode of Nova.

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If 'punitave measures' means such brutal justice then yes, this is not something I would ever advocate. Punitave to me means fines, sanctions, and so on. Hope I've clarified that.

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Originally posted by Delightful Little Capuchin Monkey:
Try being direct for once, pussy.

Gas chambers, ovens, labor camps.

In your Utopia, what races are inherently inferior to you? Do homosexuals have a place in your society? Or do you discriminate and murder based solely upon your personal intellectual barometer? How about an honest, direct answer. That might help us all get to know you better.

So far you're all textbook blowhard and no guts. Your postings are like transcripts from some insane episode of Nova.

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Everytime I enter and read one of these Prozakian threads, I am reminded of that Twilight Zone episode where the scheming megalomaniac proclaims that: "at 4 o'clock, all the evil people will be TWO FEET TALL". Whether or not you've seen this, if you know your TZ you can probably figure out what the outcome was - but the main character's general resemblance to this SRP guy and his mini-muckle of delusional, self-centered buffoons is just uncanny.

I'd love to be able to place them all smack dab in the middle of a world surrounded by the ultimate consequences of these little 'dreams' of theirs. The funny thing is, they'd probably find that it isn't a whole lot different from where they are now, given enough time.

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"You have the option to drill additional holes in the label,
causing the record to rotate off the side of the turntable"

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Originally posted by Planetary Eulogy:
The only thing that would be unnatural is to choose a course which favors in the long run the destruction of our species (and many others), which would be ANY course of action that doesn't include eugenics and population control.

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Where is the argument to support this claim? What makes you so sure it won't fall foul of human prejudice just as the Nazi eugenics experiments did? We cannot replace natural selection. We can simulate it, but it will be biased towards whatever the person/people in charge deem to be 'good' and 'bad'. This is not natural, it is interference.

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Just giving him the benefit of the doubt...

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Originally posted by Tangento:
Everytime I enter and read one of these Prozakian threads, I am reminded of that Twilight Zone episode where the scheming megalomaniac proclaims that: "at 4 o'clock, all the evil people will be TWO FEET TALL". Whether or not you've seen this, if you know your TZ you can probably figure out what the outcome was - but the main character's general resemblance to this SRP guy and his mini-muckle of delusional, self-centered buffoons is just uncanny.

I'd love to be able to place them all smack dab in the middle of a world surrounded by the ultimate consequences of these little 'dreams' of theirs. The funny thing is, they'd probably find that it isn't a whole lot different from where they are now, given enough time.

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There's a lack of argument in your post, but a lot of characterization. Do you feel contentless communication is more honest than argumentation?

heh heh

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Originally posted by Delightful Little Capuchin Monkey:
Ummm... Knick? I think you may have frightened him off.

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It is starting to look that way...

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Originally posted by neoclassical:
It's unwise to confuse "decided you were not worth his time" with "got scared off"

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Apparently, neoclassical's time is less valuable, as he seems to feel compelled to reply to every thread on this board. What happened Prozak, Burger King cutting back your hours?

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I thought anus was EXACTLY that: A clique of egotistical extremists.

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Do you belive a meaningful debate can take place if the participants uses different debate tactics stating their facts and beliefs when they debate?

Do you think a debate can be of any value if one person uses relativism and the other person uses the boolean (logical positivism = true or false) approach during the debate?

I presume you are intellegent enough to you understand what I am asking for.

Before you eventually critizise my vocabulary, be so kind and keep in mind that english is not my first language.

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Originally posted by Knickerzohnonnof:
You claim to be one of them?

I thought anus was EXACTLY that: A clique of egotistical extremists.

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Originally posted by AnnkiZ:

1 - Do you belive a meaningful debate can take place if the participants uses different debate tactics stating their facts and beliefs when they debate?

2 - Do you think a debate can be of any value if one person uses relativism and the other person uses the boolean (logical positivism = true or false) approach during the debate?

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1 - A standard tactic of debate is always preferred, but apparently, that's not available here

2 - Do you mean relativism sensu Schopenhauer or relativism sensu postmodernism? In the case of the former, it explains the boolean attribute as a product of its own logic.

In my view, logical positivism is a well-intentioned attempt corrupted by modern society such as to become an artifact of modern liberalism/individualism.

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