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Topic: How the War will run
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Delightful Little Capuchin Monkey
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posted February 13, 2003 12:27
    
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Originally posted by warcorpse:
one more thing, I don't know why people have to get so mad about this debate...nothing any of us say here will change anything. Go to DC, protest, send letters, organize a march, etc.
I agree. There really is not much sense in having an intelligent debate if you're going to resort to name-calling (pussy, warmonger, etc.) I guarantee that most people on this forum who support military action in Iraq aren't sitting back and praying that lots of Iraqi ctizens are blown to bits in US bombing raids. Supporting action against Saddam Hussein does not necessarily make one a "warmonger". I do not support the bombing of Iraq. What I do favor is the removal of Saddam Hussein by force. Iraqis should not die simply because they are governed by an oppressive regime. I choose to believe that a good deal of the population of Iraq support having Saddam taken out. I say 'choose to believe' because, no, I don't know for certain. Think back to a few months ago when Hussein was re-elected; he won 100% of the vote. This is obviously impossible - in fact, journalists (not just US journalists) covering the election results documented people voting against him. This type of stuff happens everywhere, including the US. Everyone remembers the Bush/Gore debacle of 2000. But can you trust a goverment that tells you that 100% of the vote went to one person? I believe that's the tip of the iceberg. I have read accounts of torture and execution in Iraq that is sanctioned by Hussein's regime. Some might argue that I get this info from the 'mainstream media' and that I'm buying into propaganda. Well, in a situation where you have to choose to believe one side or another, I am comfortable with my choice. Are "alternative" news sources any less dubious? You just have to choose to believe one side or another. I choose to believe that Iraq defectors' accounts of torture, rape and murder are genuine. I choose to believe that Saddam Hussein supports those groups that may decide to explode dirty bombs or release smallpox in the US. I choose to believe that Hussein does not act in the best interest of the world, let alone his own people. Do I believe that my own government is pure and does no wrong? Absolutely not. I am embarrassed that our president is an inarticulate 'fortunate son', even though I do stand by his assessment that Saddam Hussein poses a real and credible threat. That's a cross I have to bear. I don't, however, buy into the paranoid notions that have been raised in this thread. Some of it sounds like it was lifted off of the dust jacket of a bad sci-fi novel (Orwell's 1984 is the only exception, of course  ). I highly doubt that Bush and Cheney are plotting the seizure of Iraq's oil wells. Do you honestly think that they could do this and get away with it? Of course not. If this was the impetus for the overthrow of Hussein, it would have been done back in 1990.
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K
VoivodFan
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posted February 14, 2003 08:01
MUDVAYNE's CHÜD: 'Fuck GEORGE BUSH!' - Feb. 14, 2003
MUDVAYNE frontman Chad Gray (a.k.a. Chüd) has slammed President George Bush over his foreign policy and the possibility of the U.S. waging war on Iraq. Speaking to the audience last night (Feb. 13) during the group's gig at l'Elysée Montmartre in Paris, France, Gray stated, "I'm sure that fuckin' you guys know all about this fuckin' American fuckin' war fuckin' terrorist fuckin' bullshit they got goin' on. Just because I'm from America, and we're from America, don't mean we've gotta stand behind the fuckin' idiot, you know what I'm sayin'?! Fuck Bin Laden, fuck Saddam Hussein, and fuck George Bush [too]." Hear an MP3 of the statement ::: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! How fuckin' funny! 
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Slaytanic
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posted February 14, 2003 10:16
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Originally posted by warcorpse:
What do you suggest the USA's role in the world should be?
Forgetting about papa's vendetta and taking care of your own inner problems, as any other country is doing right now, except, perhaps, for the UK. Anyway, I agree with you, Corpse, that we should be talking 'bout Voivod's new horrible album cover instead of these problems.  Your government will not be listening (reading) to you or me or anyone else, so we are probably wasting our time. quote:
Anyone want to talk about North Korea? Should the US have troops in South Korea? We need South Korean oil right?
No, you don't. That's why it took so long for the US government to pay attention to them.
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Thanos
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posted February 16, 2003 07:13
I only have one thing to offer to all of this. Those people who say Bush won a "rigged election" need to remember a couple of things; If a democratic regime controlled Florida they would have bent the rules in every way possible to have made Algore the winner. If Algore would have won his own home state (Tennessee) the whole Florida thing would have been moot. The election was not rigged. Get over it.
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TheHade
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posted February 18, 2003 15:56
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Originally posted by warcorpse:
As a soldier I did not decide where the US was going to deploy forces.
Then how could you join the army and sacrifice all your rights for your own opinion by doing so? quote:
Originally posted by warcorpse:
I guess there are probably millions of people who hate the USA...
No wonder after what they pulled off in all corners of the world? quote:
Originally posted by warcorpse:
but there are also probably billions who wish they could live here.
Sure, because they are blinded by all the colorful, superficial commercialism there! quote:
Originally posted by warcorpse:
What do you suggest the USA's role in the world should be?
They should accept at last that they are just one country among many others in the world, that therefore their opinion and interests aren’t more important than others AND behave that way! quote:
Originally posted by warcorpse:
War stories, maybe later
Cool! Please, don’t forget it. quote:
Originally posted by warcorpse:
briefly, one is about a medic in my old unit who saved an Iraqi soldiers life(even though the Iraqi just finished attacking the medics convoy).
What a hero …! When will the movie, the tie-in-book, the action figure, etc. on this be finally out? ;-) quote:
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I've also seen a lot of cool pictures(taken by US troops) of happy Kuwaiti people after they were liberated.
Sure, but they’re only one side of the story! quote:
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Enough about Iraq, anyone want to talk about North Korea? Should the US have troops in South Korea?
Those that are there already are more than enough for my taste! quote:
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We need South Korean oil right?
No, but their industry and high tech factories crave for U.S.-protection and Taiwan is only just around the corner!
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(Actually, I love Angel Rat, so they'll be calling me names... ha ha)
posted February 14, 2003 07:55
