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Tangento
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posted February 21, 2010 07:16     Profile for Tangento   Email Tangento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Over the years, I think I've grown to be pretty open-minded, and have grown to intensely despise these three things:

1. Bias without basis

2. Willful, stubborn ignorance

3. Those who would willfully misinform others and/ or propagate any of the two items above

Today, I'm calling it all out.


EXPERIMENT: (Ameri-centric Subject Matter)

Over the course of the next few days, (or weeks, or minutes) I am going to attempt to dislodge a few heads from a few asses around here, (yeah, that's good-natured mock hubris folks) and try to prove to some of you stubborn, possibly misinformed ideologues that were are all essentially on the same fucking team here. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely DO NOT claim to have all of the answers, and I am damn well aware that I have plenty to learn myself. I respect the varied wealth of knowledge found in this forum, whether I agree with you fuckers or not.

My motivation here is based on acute observations over the last 30 years, but most of all over the last 7 years or so -- the most politically active and aware period of my life so far. I've watched and listened closely to people from EVERY IMAGINABLE background and point of view; I've read & tuned in to Thom Hartmann and watched & listened to Beck, Limbaugh, Medved and Maddow. I've heard more than a couple of excellent, surprisingly civilized debates between Mr. Hartmann and Mr. Medved. I've culled some interesting and useful info from the supposedly whacked-out Alex Jones and others like him. Geographically, I've spent 10+ years in Minnesota, and before that all my life in Southern California, traveling often to most points in between.

I have worked not only as a Union Electrician, but also under a fiercely Right-leaning Union-hating electrical contractor who was also one of the greatest men I ever knew -- and whose like-minded son has been and remains my best friend for THIRTY fucking years now. He and I have had some heated but increasingly interesting & productive discussions, especially over the last year. One thing I've most definitely noticed is that if we brush aside alot of the programmed/ partisan bullshit, we are actually saying many of the same things.

Folks, I've simultaneously been a card-carrying member of both the NRA & the ACLU. So please put your broadbrushes away, and let's see about a civilized, hopefully productive debate: one which focuses on facts & solutions rather than vitriol, wedge issues and blind bias.

First off, participants in this thread should introduce themselves in a similar fashion: tell us what & where you come from, and how you got to be the 'way you are'. Spout off all you want about whatever you want, but be prepared to back it up with documented facts & take in some counterpoint.

Most importantly, I think a few things need to happen before this experiment can proceed:

1. we ALL need to dispose of all of these hackneyed, moth-eaten, ridiculously tired and inane partisan labels of provocation, and especially all of these sweeping generalizations about what we perceive to be "the other side". Teabaggers, treehuggers, it's all. fucking. MEANINGLESS.

NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE IF WE DON'T START FINDING SOME COMMON GROUND AND WORKING TOGETHER. We can stand around and bicker amongst ourselves while those above us divide, conquer, and stuff our money into their deep fucking pockets, or we can unite and attempt take the fucking country back. Most of our petty differences and major rifts can eventually be worked out and compromised upon, but the big picture must first be almost completely redrawn. And contrary to many opinons, all of this actually CAN be accomplished -- even non-violently -- because if I remember correctly, OUR FOUNDERS HAD THE WISDOM and FORESIGHT TO SET THE WHOLE FUCKING THING UP THAT WAY.

2. some of you guys absolutely MUST start listening to at least one or two other sources of information more than you have been up until now, because whomever they are, they've been feeding you heartily from a gigantic vat of pigshit deception laced with a diarrheal gravy of pure lies; all intended to further divide our society into opposing, inefficacious factions. If you don't believe this, or are not willing to at least accept it as a possibility, then you may reside in the category of 'beyond help' or 'too far gone'.

If that's the case, stick around anyway. You are great for comedy relief.

Any takers?

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posted February 21, 2010 09:19     Profile for Hatröss   Email Hatröss     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
by "above us" do you mean geographically ?
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Tangento
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posted February 21, 2010 17:16     Profile for Tangento   Email Tangento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Dude, did you miss the "Ameri-centric" and "no broadbrushing" parts? Please read the intro first, and participate with well though-out entries. To immediately turn this thread into a convoluted rant about 'US vs. the Canadians' would be as far from my intended purpose as can be imagined.


(NOTE: The post by Hatross above this one was heavily edited after the fact)

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posted February 22, 2010 12:40     Profile for nothingface   Email nothingface     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Despite your attacks within the structure of your proposed experiment, I'm willing to debate with you.

I'm a "Reagan Conservative" who voted for Bill Clinton in '92 and I have mixed views on social issues.

I take in "reporting" from the various US news sources as well as European agencies.

I find left-wing talkers very hard to endure, so I admittedly don't pay much attention to the Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermanns of the world.

So, what have you got?


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K
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posted February 23, 2010 16:11     Profile for K   Email K     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"Dare i even get involved in this?" I think to myself.


Since my often incoherent ranting, name-calling and borderline fascism of the past on here, i stayed away for a while. This was due to many things including moving to Croatia from Texas and starting life over again. It was during this period i looked back to see just how full of nonsense i really was and how many good people i offended. It wasn't too long ago that i posted a public apology for all to see. I will admit it took some guts for me to do that, but i wanted everyone to know how i felt and to try to make some things right again. A big part of this being the passing away of Piggy, whom i also offended. It is sadly too late for him to know how i feel. In any case, my words of apology still stand to this day and i have avoided as much as possible this section of VVF for obvious reasons. My outlook on life has changed a lot and now i see how stupid it was to get so involved in such a disrespectful manner. I am more easy-going these days and less inclined to jump all over people who don't see things my way. I also have no real desire to debate things, not that i ever could anyway.

There are so many things wrong with humanity, governance, and life in general that to continually dwell on it all is really not healthy both mentally and physically. I will say the things i hate the most though.

1. Belief in God and/or Religion.

2. Corporate Greed and lack of respect for Life, while lying and saying how much they love the Earth and are becoming "Greener."

3. Banks and the whole Wall Street System.

4. War

5. Politicians and Lawyers.

6. Serbian Turbo-Folk Music.

Number 6 is just joking around of course. Number 5 does not mean that i hate the actual people who are Lawyers by profession, i just dislike the profession itself. So don't worry Slaytanic, your pretty cool. lol
My little list is in no particular order and are the exact things everyone else hates. I am now happy to be a Godless Atheist cursing at the criminals in the Croatian Government while they raise our sales Tax to 25%...with no real logical reason given. As an American, i think my Country is in many ways worse off than it was before i left. I really have no desire to return to the U.S. except to eat some Mexican food...which i miss.

So for now i keep productive with my Music (Kulatopia) and with the other projects, (HA2N, Gunslinger Revolution, Otvoreni Radio Zagreb, VIDI Magazine, etc).

Like i said, i lack any will to debate things of a Political/Religious nature much anymore.

Cheers!


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Tangento
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posted February 23, 2010 21:08     Profile for Tangento   Email Tangento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nothingface:

I'm a "Reagan Conservative" who voted for Bill Clinton in '92 and I have mixed views on social issues.

Reagan and Clinton both completely sold out the American middle class.
I can provide you with 6 hours minimum of reading on both subjects.

Here's a timely new book for you to check out: (please, at least take in the description)
Tear Down This Myth

quote:
Originally posted by nothingface:
I take in "reporting" from the various US news sources as well as European agencies.

Well that's good to hear. I wish more self-proclaimed "conservatives" could say the same.

quote:
Originally posted by nothingface:
I find left-wing talkers very hard to endure, so I admittedly don't pay much attention to the Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermanns of the world.

These guys are divisive blowhards, for the most part. Thom Hartmann is by far the most eloquent, respectful and knowledgeable of all talk radio hosts. He challenges DAILY those with opposing viewpoints, to both call in and appear as guests on the show. When they do, he consistently gives them equal time and a respectful debate. (all of which are reasons he why he'll probably never be seen on Cable TV)

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Tangento
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posted February 23, 2010 21:25     Profile for Tangento   Email Tangento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by K:
"Dare i even get involved in this?" I think to myself.

There are so many things wrong with humanity, governance, and life in general that to continually dwell on it all is really not healthy both mentally and physically. I will say the things i hate the most though.

1. Belief in God and/or Religion.

2. Corporate Greed and lack of respect for Life, while lying and saying how much they love the Earth and are becoming "Greener."

3. Banks and the whole Wall Street System.

4. War

5. Politicians and Lawyers.

6. Serbian Turbo-Folk Music.

(etc.)

Cheers!


Well-said. I agree that it can wear a person down, but sometimes the positives outweigh all that. I often find myself needing a break from it all, but I always drift back.

I do have a bit of a problem with the whole God, athiesm and religion thing. If more people from all these different factions would just keep their faith (or lack thereof) to themselves, the world would benefit immensely. Anytime I hear something like "there IS NO GOD" or "you're going to BURN IN HELL" or "the USA is a CHRISTIAN NATION", I just cringe & wish there was a way to make people step back & realize how utterly fucking ridiculous it all is ...this forcing of one's beliefs onto others.

Best of luck with your new life, dude.

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posted February 23, 2010 22:58     Profile for X-D   Email X-D     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
One of the reasons the TM section isn't any fun to post in anymore is because the topics have less and less to do with what those posting actually think. It would be much more insightful and interesting to hear WHY you actually believe what you do rather than all the supposed documented reasons as to why your opponent is an idiot.

If you truly stand behind your beliefs, you should be able to express them in your own words. If not, aren’t you just another mouthpiece for someone else?

But hey, I am just a bunny-huggin’ nonreligious socialist commie, so take all that I say with a grain of salt, please. Ah, good times.

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posted February 24, 2010 19:48     Profile for Mezcalhead   Email Mezcalhead     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What no famous quotes?

For me, its really a question of man's relationship to the state. I believe that the more freedom people have from their government the healthier they will be as a society. More dependence on government means less prosperity and opportunity for those on the bottom to rise to success. The role of government in people's lives should be limited as stated in the Constitution. Sadly today, that is not the case. It is a behemoth dictating how each of us should live, breathe, go to the bathroom...etc.....I remember Tangento, a while back when I was on one of my rants and stated that there was a multitude of reasons for the Department of Education to be abolished. Your reaction, was something akin to horror and shock. Like how could the poor, little darlings learn without the government's direction.......And I always remember that because it crystallized the distinct differnces between our two points of view(liberal vs conservative). You see the government as protector..a friend during hard times in almost a maternal way i.e. the nanny state.....I see it as the aggressor. Neccesary for certain actions as laid out by our founders but aside from that(in most cases, see below).........I can't change that view, you won't change mine. So common ground....hmmmmm......well can we at least both agree that this band fucking rocks:
http://www.myspace.com/drslaggleberry

Damn, and they'll probably never be able to make a tour out of England....would love to see this operation live....


Seriously, though here's where we may have some common ground. After much reading I believe that policymakers should come up with some prudent regulations to keep Wall Street's excesses in check....this would actually enable the free market to move with greater freedom. Along with this the past 25 years of the government's policy of 'too big to fail' for the banking industry must end immediately. The bad groups should be allowed to die..a natural death..no matter how huge they are. This would allow the good companies (and yes, they exist) to blossom and benefit everyone involved.


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posted March 05, 2010 13:09     Profile for SmedHed   Email SmedHed     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A close, close friend of mine said "absolutely, the government did it,"
when we brought up 9-11 back in the day.

She has a masters degree and had no doubt the whole thing was set up by the NeoCons.

The was way before 9-11 Truth materialized or Alex Jones seized on it.

Eventually 9-11 Truth was infiltrated by disnfo agents to destroy the anti-war sentiment of those who agreed and to create a wedge between members of the left.

I was much slower, "Huh, really?," I replied.

South Park 9-11 Conspiracy episode is a corp. whitewash of the event to ridicule conspiracy writers.

www.whatreallyhappened.com is the only news you need. Skip Alex.


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Tangento
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posted March 10, 2010 21:03     Profile for Tangento   Email Tangento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Been gone for a spell; both PCs crashed in the same week.

quote:
Originally posted by Mezcalhead:
What no famous quotes?

For me, its really a question of man's relationship to the state. I believe that the more freedom people have from their government the healthier they will be as a society. More dependence on government means less prosperity and opportunity for those on the bottom to rise to success. The role of government in people's lives should be limited as stated in the Constitution. Sadly today, that is not the case. It is a behemoth dictating how each of us should live, breathe, go to the bathroom...etc.....


I remember Tangento, a while back when I was on one of my rants and stated that there was a multitude of reasons for the Department of Education to be abolished. Your reaction, was something akin to horror and shock. Like how could the poor, little darlings learn without the government's direction.....


This borders on the ridiculous. I don't care who mandates or enforces it, be it on the State or Federal or even local level: do we not have to assure that basic education is available to all citizens? Have you considered the consequences of a nation like ours with nothing but private schools? And dammit! Has that pesky ol' Obama been hanging around your throne again, making sure you're not peeing on the seat?

Q: Have you ever been unemployed, Lee? First of this year, I bought this bitchen old house I'm sitting in -- and as luck would have it, I was laid off from my job of over 3 years on the VERY DAY I moved in here. Nice timing, FedEx! And guess what? There ain't a fucking job in sight around here for me right now. Have you been amongst us? Bottom line: I would at this very moment be facing possible foreclosure on a house I just bought, if not for unemployment benefits. And I'm not exactly the only one out here. Lucky for me, I should have the means to start up my own business this Spring, but most are not so fortunate. What would our economy (as well as our streets, prisons & morgues, for that matter) look like right now, in this current economic climate, if not for such assistances? You can't just wish any of this shit away, man.

quote:
Originally posted by Mezcalhead:
And I always remember that because it crystallized the distinct differnces between our two points of view (liberal vs conservative). You see the government as protector..a friend during hard times in almost a maternal way i.e. the nanny state.....I see it as the aggressor. Neccesary for certain actions as laid out by our founders but aside from that(in most cases, see below).........I can't change that view, you won't change mine.


Seriously, though here's where we may have some common ground. After much reading I believe that policymakers should come up with some prudent regulations to keep Wall Street's excesses in check....this would actually enable the free market to move with greater freedom. Along with this the past 25 years of the government's policy of 'too big to fail' for the banking industry must end immediately. The bad groups should be allowed to die..a natural death..no matter how huge they are. This would allow the good companies (and yes, they exist) to blossom and benefit everyone involved.


"The bad groups"? At what point does the level of greed & corruption attained warrant this label? What if a "good" company goes "bad"? And who will have the authority to determine when to invoke such a designation and then deal the death blow? We need a set of rules that apply across the board. In that sense, given your latest paragraph, we do share some common ground on some of this.

Ahh man, then we have the old standbys: "nanny state" & "free market". Dude, I promise to lay off the quotes if you'll quit with these ridiculous cliches. I don't see the government as "protector", I see it as what it's supposed to function as: REPRESENTATIVE. (and by that, I mean "of the people")

This 2 paragraph excerpt sums up your whole pie-in-the-sky 'free market' myth pretty well:

quote:
Polanyi insists--and Stiglitz and many others agree--that this idea of a "free market" society is utopian. It is utopian because it assumes that humans can once and for all be released from all forms of social regulation and legal coercion and that the market forces of supply and demand will spontaneously and freely produce optimal outcomes. History in fact has shown us again and again that market-based societies only work because markets are embedded within legal and political rules that prevent opportunistic and predatory behaviors and that can also assure that the supply and demand for land, labor, money and other key commodities will roughly balance. According to the Polanyian view, the actual history of market society of the last two hundred years has involved systematically increasing the state's economic role in order to make markets work.

Polanyi's framework helps us to differentiate between two recent periods--the early post-war years (1945-1970 ) and the Reagan-Thatcher years (1980-2008 ). In the earlier period, "free market" ideology was in retreat and governments played an unapologetic role in regulating business and finance and providing necessary services. That was one of the world's greatest periods of sustained economic growth. In the more recent period "free market"ideology has been ascendant, government regulation and services have been rolled back, and economic growth has been sluggish in much of the world. In this more recent period, inequality has risen dramatically in the U.S. and the world economy has been shaken by a series of financial crises, most recently, the crisis that began with a failure of regulation in the U.S. mortgage market.

http://www.longviewinstitute.org/nosuchthing


Put that in your Milton Friedman-shaped pipe and smoke it.

quote:
Originally posted by Mezcalhead:
So common ground....hmmmmm......well can we at least both agree that this band fucking rocks:
http://www.myspace.com/drslaggleberry

Damn, and they'll probably never be able to make a tour out of England....would love to see this operation live...


Niiiiiice. Very cool. Have you checked out the new Shaolin Death Squad, by any chance? Killer, brutal Bungle-esque mayhem.

http://www.myspace.com/shaolindeathsquad

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posted March 11, 2010 00:47     Profile for nothingface   Email nothingface     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Tangento, your exceedingly long responses are riddled with holes. I don't have time to cover them all tonight, but I will toss this one on the fire.

The Department of Education should be abolished. While there should be a standardization of learning in the country, the idea of the government being in control over what is taught and not taught is the ultimate in mind-control. Anyone can see this is an inherently bad idea.

I won't get into your "evils of the free market system" tonight, other than to say that the Reagan years were the most prosperous years in this country in over a generation. I noticed that you pointed out that this was a sluggish growth period for the world. So? Our free-market system and government is set up for this country, not the world.

It is not the duty of the government to regulate, dictate, and mandate. It is not there to "protect us from ourselves", make sure we all have free band-aids, education, and a level playing field in life.

The Bill Of Rights was written to limit government's intrusion on the lives of those it governs. The inalienable rights it speaks of are those that it declared the government had no right to take away. It presumed our equality, but did not promise nor demand it.

Obama's version of governance is a clear example of redistribution of wealth and of a highly intrusive system in which the governed are presumed to not know what's best for them. Pelosi and Reid have said on many occasions that the public has been rejecting this health care reform because "they don't understand it". WTF? Thanks mom and dad, but you can shove that Trojan horse of legislation up your collective asses.


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posted March 11, 2010 02:27     Profile for Tangento   Email Tangento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I too, am short on time tonight:

quote:
Originally posted by nothingface:

1. the Reagan years were the most prosperous years in this country in over a generation.

2. Our free-market system and government is set up for this country, not the world.


1

2

Count them TWO. TWO of the most ignorant, intrinsically FALSE statements I have ever read here, or anywhere else. I asked that this kind of shit be kept the fuck OUT of this thread. Now go do your homework and report back here with some "education". Your first assignment is the book on Mr. Reagan I prescribed in post #6.

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posted March 11, 2010 07:57     Profile for Skul   Email Skul     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Btw, this entire Technocratic Manipulators section will be deleted soon, so enjoy it while it lasts. That's enough of this bullshit.
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posted March 11, 2010 13:28     Profile for nothingface   Email nothingface     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok, Tangento, I didn't realize that all opinions put forth in your new thread had to come directly from your point of view. You sound a lot like our current spoiled brat of a president.

Now that the rules have become clear, you can take this thread and use it to argue with yourself.

I'm done.


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posted March 11, 2010 15:03     Profile for K   Email K     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Aw damn! Just as things were getting good.


Skul, i fully support your decision and CHEERS to you sir!


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posted March 11, 2010 15:40     Profile for SmedHed   Email SmedHed     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skul:
Btw, this entire Technocratic Manipulators section will be deleted soon, so enjoy it while it lasts. That's enough of this bullshit.

You're a dick, and Slayer is a useless group who has put out nothing but sh** since 1992.


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posted March 11, 2010 15:47     Profile for Skul   Email Skul     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SmedHed:
You're a dick, and Slayer is a useless group who has put out nothing but sh** since 1992.

Yes, I am. What are you gonna do about it?


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posted March 11, 2010 16:44     Profile for Tangento   Email Tangento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Suit yourself Skul, I sure as fuck won't lose any sleep over it.

And hey Nothingface: my reprimands were simply veiled invitations to provide some documentation of your claims. Why so defensive? Please share your sources.

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posted March 11, 2010 17:24     Profile for Mezcalhead   Email Mezcalhead     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skul:
Btw, this entire Technocratic Manipulators section will be deleted soon, so enjoy it while it lasts. That's enough of this bullshit.

Who decided this? I missed the memo where you took ownership of this forum.


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posted March 11, 2010 17:35     Profile for Skul   Email Skul     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mezcalhead:
Who decided this? I missed the memo where you took ownership of this forum.

I'm sorry - I dont need your approval for anything.

It's obviously still up so no "decision" has been made yet. I dont know how Hex and Sean feel about it. I know XD already expressed his thoughts about it. I just think it's silly to keep it, since NOTHING GOOD has ever come out of these talks.


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posted March 11, 2010 17:49     Profile for Mezcalhead   Email Mezcalhead     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No, no ,no. That's not what you said. Look at the above quote again. You said it would be deleted soon meaning a decision had already been made. You don't have to consult me for shit but it'd be a nice if you'd ask some other folks before you make statements like the above. My opinion is if you don't like the section, don't read it. But again that's just one opinion. If the others want to shut it down......i'm not gonna lose sleep over it.
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posted March 11, 2010 18:09     Profile for Skul   Email Skul     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Fine. Whatever.
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posted March 11, 2010 20:16     Profile for Tangento   Email Tangento     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skul:
I just think it's silly to keep it, since NOTHING GOOD has ever come out of these talks.

Wow, that is some mighty presumptuous shit you've stated right there dude. Nothing good for who? You and you alone? If that's your reasoning for deciding to pull the plug, it's completely absurd.

I've always held this site and its owners/ founders/ moderators in the highest regard, and will respect whatever decision is made.

...unless it's made solely by you, solely for the reason stated above. In that case, I'd be forced to call it some decidedly self-absorbed power-tripping on your part.

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posted March 11, 2010 22:20     Profile for Mezcalhead   Email Mezcalhead     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, now that we're over that little bit of unpleasantness.....

You know what's funny Tango? You violate #'s 1 & 2 of your original post throughout this entire thread. I even tried to do what you asked....come together on one issue(regulation of Wall Street). But you completely blew that out of the water. So this is all really pointless.

While I was waiting in the AT&T store yesterday I watched Glenn Beck for the first time....holy smokes, what an idiot!! It was almost laughable.... If I had to sit through that everyday I think I might switch sides.....


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