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Topic: Thank you Jon Schaffer!!!
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K
VoivodFan
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posted August 23, 2004 08:02
    
They wont be selling any CD's to me.
Not that theyre gonna miss it anyways.
But at least its my own little protest to theyre statements.HERE is someone with more brains and is sure to make Mez mad. lol! :::::: "I am enormously proud to be an American. I would say that the things that our corporate-controlled government has done at best are shameful and at worst genocidal-but there's an incredible and a permanent culture of resistance in this country that I'm very proud to be a part of. It's not the tradition of slave-owningfounding fathers, it's the tradition of the Frederick Douglasses, the Underground Railroads, the Chief Josephs, the Joe Hills, and the Huey P. Newtons. There's so much to be proud of when you're American that's hidden from you. The incredible courage and bravery of the union organizers in the late 1800's and early 1900's-that's amazing. People of get tricked into going overseas and fighting Uncle Sam's Wall Street wars, but these are people who knew what they were fighting for here at home. I think that that's so much more courageous and brave." -Tom Morello ::::::
 http://www.ratm.com/
Mez really loves those guys. hehe.
Just kidding bro.
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Slaytanic
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Member # 28
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posted August 23, 2004 12:47
There's nothing like a wise advice, I think."If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal." The republican ALICE COOPER  -------------------- "Forty-five moments of perfection translated through a cautionary escape into the perils of the mundane, the inherent entropy in ultimate order, and the potential threats of eternal, unchecked apathy in civilization; all cloaked in musical expression so thoughtful, creative and forward thinking that almost a quarter-century later, few can even comprehend it, much less match it." (autothrall)
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LyKcantropen
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Member # 162
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posted August 23, 2004 13:56
I agree with Slay. But Schaffer's getting pissed off at simple semantics like "regime" is funny. He has his opinions, and has come by them in a reasonable and logical way, and that's to be respected. He's no more "right" or "wrong" in stating that than any other human being is, indeed, his views aren't "right" or "wrong". Edit: Then I read on! I love this superior, "hey, I'm okay, fuck you!" attitude some people seem to have. They go on about morals, but when it comes down to it, "hey, fuck you, little guy, I'm okay, I've got money, I'm above the poverty line, the government goes out of it's way NOT to fuck me in the ass on a regular basis like it does a bunch of other people!" People like that fit into every political spectrum. They're not right wing, they're not pinko whiners, they're just scum, plain and simple. I mean, I'm no fan of socialism. Marxism is bullshit, but people with no feeling whatsoever for the institutionalised suffering of others whatsoever, in the words of Mr. Schaffer, "need their head examined".
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KnickerZohnonnof
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Member # 272
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posted August 24, 2004 12:22
Don't worry Kula I've called the dogs off....for now But I disagree about the 51st, 52nd, 53rd state scenario. That isn't how I see it. Broadly I agree with Schaffer's views, but though I believe people should be rewarded for their efforts and successes, tax is a necessary evil. How else do you pay for infrastructure projects, education, policing, ect as well as regeneration of areas destroyed by recession and entire industries closing or relocating their business? Or do you just not bother and allow 'market forces' to dictate? Sorry, that's just as corrupt as an interventionist government. But I also feel strongly that, as slaytanic says, if you look to musicians to guide your political views then you are a moron. They are of course entitled to their views, but like most of us they are not totally enlightened. -------------------- Hail Santa...
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KnickerZohnonnof
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Member # 272
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posted August 24, 2004 16:36
Nah Mez, I think we all realised you just agreed with the man. You didn't make the fatal statement 'Aren't musicians great political philosophers?' for a start!Kula, are you busting for another exchange or something I just looked at what you said and simply disagreed with it. It's not 'sovereign territory'; it's a military base and therefore needs to be restricted access. You can't expect them to allow joe public to just wander off the street and nose around. In the majority of cases they have been given permission by the host country to install the outpost. It doesn't concern me one bit. -------------------- Hail Santa...
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LyKcantropen
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Member # 162
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posted August 24, 2004 18:07
Yeah. I mean, sure, whole subgenres of metal are filled with pinko commies (hello, political grindcore and near enough the entire hardcore movement!), but an equal or greater number of metal musicians are flag waving little-government fans. They're just not outwardly vocal about it as, say, Nasum and Napalm Death are, because it's not an aspect of their music. And why should it be? Politics is a personal thing. If it's got fuck all to do with the music, then there's no point speaking out about it unless you want to.As I've said before, for me personally, I couldn't give two shits about lyrics. I couldn't give a damn one way or the other about what people are saying, as long as I like their music. The fact I can look at a Napalm Death lyric sheet and agree with more than a few of the sentiments is a pure coincidence - they'd still kick ass if I didn't agree with them, as, indeed, they would if they sang about giblets and gore instead of multinational corporations. As a sidenote, sorry Kula, but RATM are whiny, deluded bastards who couldn't write a decent song to save their life.
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Hatröss
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Member # 7
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posted August 24, 2004 19:06
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Originally posted by Number 6:
"JS: No. This is not an empire, first of all. If the United States was an empire, your country would be our 51st state."Uhhh...
I hate to point this out again, but Israel is the 51st State.
Afghanistan 52nd, Iraq 53rd.
And coming soon....Iran as the newest member of the Empire. 54th State. *Disclaimer*
This is just my Opinion.
I am not attempting to provoke anyone.
Knicker please leave me alone. 
i think JS was being more direct, meaning 'Continental' US. canada happens to be attached just like south america> ? thats just my opinion..
please leave me alone too...
exspecially if you can not ever answer any questions posed.... 
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Hatröss
VoivodFan
Member # 7
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posted August 24, 2004 19:32
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Originally posted by Lycanthropy:
[QB]As I've said before, for me personally, I couldn't give two shits about lyrics. I couldn't give a damn one way or the other about what people are saying, as long as I like their music. The fact I can look at a Napalm Death lyric sheet and agree with more than a few of the sentiments is a pure coincidence - they'd still kick ass if I didn't agree with them, as, indeed, they would if they sang about giblets and gore instead of multinational corporations.[QB]
i agree with lyc here, when a band fucking rocks, they rock ! someone here on the site mentioned OTEP, a newer band i recently started liking, even being from Cali and with some of their statements it dont change the fact that they can get the pit rolling \m/
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