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I picked up all 3 LEADFOOT cds and they're pretty damn goo. They sound like the love child of COC fucking Skynyrd fucking Molly Hatchet and no one knows who the real father is... good stuff, thanks for letting me know about them.

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SHIT, my pleasure! Don't bother with the band he was in before COC, vocal-wise he is lacking considerably. I think COC taught him how to really sing.

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It was a little too crossover for me at the time, I like my metal to sound like metal and my hardcore to sound like hardcore. This was decidedly a lot of both, hardcore vocals with the metal edge, especially the double-kicks and guitar sound.

But this was later-Karl for me. I was from CT originally, and SEIZURE was a mainstay of CT punk / hardcore for a number of years prior to Karl moving to NY. They only did one single and a few comp tracks with Karl singing (but a lot of demos exist), but if you ever saw em live, they totally kicked ass. Here's one of the tracks from their 4-song 7" that Incas released in '86. http://youtu.be/7HTddsbcZL8 If you didn't like the vocals on S.O.Violence, you're *really* gonna hate this one!

And I totally grew up on COC That sounded like THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbQOBu_rlZ8&feature=player_detailpage#t=78s

So, after hearing the above, you'll know why I wanted to SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FUCKING FACE WITH A BAZOOKA when I heard that 'Dance of the Dead' shit. Fucking limp. I thought Karl totally sold out (though he really wasn't, I know that now). I fucking HATED the Blind album, always have, still do. I hate groove.

All the best,
PAULIE

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Have you ever tried broadening your horizens a little bit, Paullie? You keep slamming groove like you know something we don't LOL.

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Originally posted by newclear infusion:
To each their own. I think 'School of Violence' fucking sucks.

Have you ever tried broadening your horizens a little bit, Paullie? You keep slamming groove like you know something we don't LOL.

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I don't slam groove at all. I just say I don't like it (a lot) - And that's what makes forums good things - People with *differing* opinions! How boring is a thread when everyone agrees? Thx for the nice words by the way. I'm just passing along my own experience of growing up w COC / Seizure / hardcore prior to crossover because I'm clearly closer to Voivod's age than the forum's average age. In general, I'm not a fan of when people throw in a one-liner and not back a claim up, so I try to give some anecdotal evidence for my own accounts. I fully expect that the majority of people in this particular forum will *NOT* like the Seizure stuff, and some might like S.O.V. ok. I can't just say I think something's limp and get away with it without reason, I need to back my statement up. So I put it in context - A little history, and some examples.

BTW, huge Sabbath / Pentagram fan here, I think some folks would accuse them of having a lot of "groove" but I don't see it that way at all - But again, that might be because I'm a 70's kid. To me, they were rock bands playing rock music. When COC became a rock band, I felt kinda betrayed. But that's my problem, not theirs.

First-world problems,
PAULIE

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Although my view is pretty much left-coast, I came into COC the same way as Paulie, back when they were total hardcore, circa Eye For An Eye, just a bit before Animosity was released. I totally remember a lot of people being surprised about Blind and COC's shift to this sound, though I was more bummed about Mike Dean leaving the band a few years earlier. As a longtime fan of these guys, Blind was an adjustment, but one that was easy for me to make. Already said it, but I feel the stuff that follows, Deliverance-Wiseblood, is some of their best work ever.

And hey, I have been able to lay my ears on the new album a bit today, and gotta say this band has come full circle! I think Dave and John will love it... Paulie, I dunno man, you might wanna give it a spin! Great to have Mike Dean on vox again and AWESOME to have Reed back in the fold! Woody, Mike, and Reed are undeniably the core of this band.

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All the best,
PAULIE

PS Am I the only one that sees the irony in this?

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XD, I sure hope I really like the new COC since I forked out the $$$ for both domestic & import vinyl and the deluxe cd versions... that fuckin "collectors gene" costs me money every time a see something cool.

Paulie 88, are you referring to the irony of COC being promoted by the big box store BEST BUY instead of just being more underground? If so, I see your point, but I think it's great that the band has built up enough of a reputation that a big box store would do that. It's not like they compromised anything , and the more people that get to hear their music the better, as far as I'm concerned.

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PS Am I the only one that sees the irony in this?

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Paulie 88, are you referring to the irony of COC being promoted by the big box store BEST BUY instead of just being more underground? If so, I see your point, but I think it's great that the band has built up enough of a reputation that a big box store would do that. It's not like they compromised anything , and the more people that get to hear their music the better, as far as I'm concerned.[/QB]

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Yes to the "Corrosion of Conformity - Pre-order at Best Buy now!" but not necessarily saying it should be "underground" cause a band should have the ability to survive of course - It's just the irony of it. I agree, I do think this band has done what *they* wanted to do and have not particularly compromised (while I haven't liked the direction they went in, and they likely enjoyed the commercial success of that direction, I do not think it was a carrot-chasing venture) - That being said, if they tried to put out something that sounded like Animosity again, they'd likely be asked to go back to the drawing table.

Grizzled,
PAULIE

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Originally posted by schroeder:
I agree with what you're saying; however,what would be the point in releasing an album that sounded like Animosity or Technocracy? They've been there, done that, and I think back then they realized that they would be very limited in terms of musical creativity if they stuck with that style and it wouldn't leave them any room to grow as musicians.

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First off, I don't think an album has to have a "point" per se. Case in point, sounding like earlier stuff doesn't seem to bother fans of the Ramones or Motorhead - No one says "been there done that" to them, right? lol As for COC, they had a huge gap before they ended up doing a full-length after Techncracy once Simon Bob left - The next step was Blind, and it was indeed a quantum leap in sound. I think a lot of the rough edge really left with Mike though. And they DID do a quasi-COC (Mike and Woody +1) project as SnakeNation, but that was considerably more stonerish. And yes, it did have some of that "groove" to it too, ha! Growth can and often *is* a good thing, I don't argue that for a minute. They lost a lot of the AGGRESSION to me, which is what drew me to them in the first place. When they lost that, they lost me. But again, that's my problem, not theirs.

All the best,
PAULIE

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oh yeah... fuck you Mez for not liking Pepper... ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Nothingface, you nailed it when you said Corrosion has been recognized in 2 distinct areas of music, a rare feat indeed.

Still waiting for this new one in the mail...

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All the best,
PAULIE

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