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Chip Future, Esq.
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posted May 26, 2004 00:18     Profile for Chip Future, Esq.   Email Chip Future, Esq.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ill Bill from Non-Phixion has a new solo album called What's Wrong With Bill?. I think the Non-Phixion logo by Away has been discussed here. Anyway, the whole song "Peace Sells" is made up of metal/hardcore/punk references, and most of one verse uses a ton of Voivod references.

quote:
Psychic vacuum jab you with a knife and stab you
Ravenous medicine tribal convictions is heroin
Experiment macrosolutions to megaproblems Let the revolvers solve 'em
chaosmongers a cosmic drama
Peace sells but who's buyin so I stay with the funds
We real so you die find you laced with the slugs
With the quickness she's callin me my sacred love
I got bad brains the reason I spray with guns now listen

He got some Bad Brains in there too.

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schroeder
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posted May 26, 2004 06:26     Profile for schroeder   Email schroeder     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
damn, stealing music and now lifting everyone's lyrics!!! Don't forget the blatant Megadeth rip off in there. No originality what-so-ever. At least he was smart enough to use the best of the best lyricists.

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Cthon
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posted May 26, 2004 06:54     Profile for Cthon   Email Cthon     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i thought that was pretty cool, actually. better than the same old regurgitated "bitch this, and bitch that" rap crap(which is REALLY derivative and no-brained).

Chris Bickel and I were discussing the finer points of the Geto Boys on the Guyana Punch Line board the other day....what a trip...

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Chip Future, Esq.
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posted May 26, 2004 07:56     Profile for Chip Future, Esq.   Email Chip Future, Esq.     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by schroeder:
damn, stealing music and now lifting everyone's lyrics!!! Don't forget the blatant Megadeth rip off in there. No originality what-so-ever. At least he was smart enough to use the best of the best lyricists.

Yeah, because that's the entire album. No, wait, that's his entire musical career. One song and a logo designed by Away. That's it. No originality whatsoever!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tribute

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posted June 12, 2004 01:11     Profile for anything   Email anything     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Actually
non-phixion are very good
especially as far as hip hop goes
they're not "unoriginal"
ill bill's a big voivod fan
but other than those lyrics above
it's not just some voivod ripoff

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Gorf
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posted June 12, 2004 17:48     Profile for Gorf   Email Gorf     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thats fucking plagarism.

I'd sue if I was Voivod.


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schroeder
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posted June 12, 2004 22:59     Profile for schroeder   Email schroeder     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gorf:
Thats fucking plagarism.

I'd sue if I was Voivod.


No, that's called "sampling"
Obviously he's friends with Away.
Maybe I'll try and find a copy if you say it's good, anything.

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neutrino
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posted June 13, 2004 12:33     Profile for neutrino   Email neutrino     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
as Chip Future said,
quote:
Originally posted by Chip Future, Esq.:
the whole song "Peace Sells" is made up of metal/hardcore/punk references

this is not lyrics stealing!

oh yeah, Schroeder I think you should give it a try!
I really like this album


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schroeder
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posted June 14, 2004 07:29     Profile for schroeder   Email schroeder     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hex:
I don't like rap, but this is certainly not a lyrics theft, it's quotations. Rap culture, afaik, is built upon quotations in great part. If a rap band promotes metal bands in their song by quoting them, what's wrong about that? Guys, we're not their target audience. Rappers are. If a rapper learns that metal exists and is enjoyable after listening to these guys, I think it's a good thing rather than bad.
My two cents.

GOOD POINT, I'll retract my previous statement, and I think I'll look for a copy of the cd... maybe I get turmed on to some metal .
Honestly, I am going to track down the cd. I'm thinking by the comments made here and the fact that Away was involved in it, it should sound different than most typical rap bands... at least I know some of the lyrics are intellectual.

I just purchased the ILL BILL cd and the NONPHIXION 'The Future Is Now' platinum edition. I listen to some of the ILL BILL cd on the way home but after Peace Sells, I popped it out to play the Pink Floyd remastered Final Cut (which has "When The Tigers Broke Free" and has much better sound than the original). I wasn't knocked out by the Ill Bill and will probably return the Nonphixion disc since I didn't open it. The words were interesting but the delivery was typical and nothing special. Peace Sells is chock full of metal lyrics and song titles, and it was fun to hear them all and try to think of the original bands that created them.

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posted June 14, 2004 22:56     Profile for anything   Email anything     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ah,
sorry if you didn't like Ill Bill Schroder...I should have posted this link to a Non Phixion song so you could listen to it beforehand...
http://sandbox.pair.com/sound/nonphixion_cultleader.ram

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posted June 14, 2004 22:59     Profile for anything   Email anything     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Here are lyrics to the "Cult Leader" track I posted a link to above: as you can see, it's definitely not typical hiphop lyrics! (Which doesn't necessarily mean you'll like it.) Oh yeah, and I don't think this is plagarism or just copying people, they just had some references to metal songs:


Cult Leader lyrics:

The cult leader, the war-monger, armed with four high-powered
firearm barometers; I visited Andromeda
The human cloner, the donate to my fam organ donor
The morbid odor of corpses lowered, the coroner
The cult leader, result needer, the skull and bones bleeder
The chrome heater, the soul eater, the tome reader
The cloak and dagger magnum packer; convert star systems to active (?)
The illest shit since Manson had goons
The great communicator; alien tomb raider
Consume data - cut from the same cloth that produced Vader
The cult leader, the ultimate fighting champion
The benificient, the lamb, the messiah, the religion
There's a thousand faces, more than the cross and the Star of David
I'm the combination of God and Satan
The humble shepherd, the son of lepers, the stuff of legends
The cult leader, I've indulged in the most disgusting of pleasures
Likeable and charismatic; my smilin face has been
enough to make a mother leave her children in a violent place
I turn knees to noodles; I make my female followers
want me until they pussy's drippin like fruit juice
The pervert, the pathological, the prophet
I'm the second coming, the Anti-Christ, the final conflict
Who got nuclear weapons and a suicidal doctrine?
The cult leader, and I'll never stop until I got you locked in

[Chorus]
Cult leader! "And everywhere, his words are greated with enthusiasm."
Cult leader! "His listeners have found a personal revelation in what he has to say."
Cult leader! "You will obey your instincts, and try to dominate others."

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I'm the motherfuckin cult leader! "Such power transforms, elevates; even purifies.."

[Verse Two]
The life taker, followers fly planes into skyscrapers
Send you a disease through the mail wrapped inside paper
The gospel preacher, the hostile teacher
The face of God with an impostor's features
This is the prophecy - the cult leader
The people's temple, the holy ground, the war compound
Four-pound to rifles, disciples, the holy idles
Supreme truth, the cult leader with the green tooth
The multi-millionaire with a stare that can freeze troops
I program people to kill
The motiviational speaker, my words cause people to feel
It's mind control, let the cult leader guide your soul
Open up your eyes to the lies he told
The general, the chief, I be the political pioneer
The cult leader, you can believe in me, I am here
Bless the children, take you under my wing, shelter
Helter Skelter, this is it, you can't kill me I'll exist forever

[Chorus]
Cult leader! "The leader - a champion of the underdog."
Cult leader! "He tried to show the path of truth, to amaze all mankind."
Cult leader! "Scorned.. ridiculed.. and condemned.."
I'm the motherfuckin cult leader! "Words are inadequate..
.. to convey the majesty, of the" - Cult leader!
{*"The leader" scratched repeatedly*} I'm the cult leader!
{*"The leader" scratched repeatedly*} Cult leader!
{*"The leader" scratched repeatedly*} I'm the motherfuckin cult leader!
{*"The leader" scratched repeatedly*}


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Hatröss
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posted June 19, 2004 18:55     Profile for Hatröss   Email Hatröss     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i cant take it anymore... something needs to be done !
if Kula was still around we would bust some heads \m/
i guess we send our complaints to 'shitcock' ?

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posted June 20, 2004 12:38     Profile for anything   Email anything     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Uhh...
complaints about what? This thread started off with Voivod references in Ill Bill lyrics. Then I posted the lyrics to a different Non-Phixion/Ill Bill song (voivod related because Away does their logo, and artwork on one of their singles), the lyrics are pretty Voivodian in a way I think, because another member was discussing whether he would sell or keep the cd. Since then nothing else has been posted about it. There's always lots of posts about other bands including non metal bands on Voivodfan. The cult leader lyrics are pretty "metal." There are posts about things on Voivodfan that aren't metal. So I can't think of what to bust heads or complain about if you're complaining, and if you are, sorry...and who is shitcock?

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schroeder
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posted June 21, 2004 01:32     Profile for schroeder   Email schroeder     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I certainly have no problem with threads that might get me listening to other bands that I would have otherwise never thought to listen to, no matter what style the music is. I thought Ill Bill's lyrics were pretty damn cool and heavy for rap, but just wasn't impressed by the overall sound and delivery of the words. I'd love to hear someone like Chuck D, or the guy from Disposable Heroes Of Hiphopcracy sing some of the lyrics, they are original IMHO and would add something to the overall feel of the song.

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Hatröss
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posted June 21, 2004 05:27     Profile for Hatröss   Email Hatröss     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anything:
Uhh...
complaints about what? This thread started off with Voivod references in Ill Bill lyrics. Then I posted the lyrics to a different Non-Phixion/Ill Bill song (voivod related because Away does their logo, and artwork on one of their singles), the lyrics are pretty Voivodian in a way I think, because another member was discussing whether he would sell or keep the cd. Since then nothing else has been posted about it. There's always lots of posts about other bands including non metal bands on Voivodfan. The cult leader lyrics are pretty "metal." There are posts about things on Voivodfan that aren't metal. So I can't think of what to bust heads or complain about if you're complaining, and if you are, sorry...and who is shitcock?


WOW! . it was just a joke/attempt at some shitty humour.
back when i first heard about this band it was concerning their logo, i have to say it was a few years back, i headed over to their message board and began thrashing the place with a known accomplice. but we soon found a certain mod to be very cool about it "shitcock" was his name-o.

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actually i think the lyrics are pretty cool too, i have nothing against them and i am glad they like metal/voivods music. it is very cool that we have that bridge there.


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