Fact is, you can't back up your statement, so step down.

Tangento, I'd love to see the quotations you speak of. Post 'em.

On the flipside of the card, I'm totally into black-metal..the hypnotic-like emotion it can present.

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Originally posted by prozak666:
I think you're afraid of revealing your own bias and intolerance.

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Where the hell is the damn flyswatter ?

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And I'm still waiting for proof from you guys

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Originally posted by prozak666:
Ah, the gameplayers... with their deceptive illusions.

Fact is, you can't back up your statement, so step down.

Tangento, I'd love to see the quotations you speak of. Post 'em.

And I'm still waiting for proof from you guys

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First off, I will expound upon my position regarding "S.R. Prozac"
and 'his' Anus.com domain.

The website has its merits.
There is no question about the competence of the writing staff and their grasp of musical theory, and their concepts concerning the transmogrification of metal music into its many forms over the years.

Especially impressive is the amount of detailed theory-oriented analysis can be found in a review of an album like say, D.R.I.'s 'Dealing With It', when most fans of the album it would settle for "it Kicks Ass"...

Example:

"Kurt Brecht, vocalist, executes formidable passages of high-speed text enunciation in a riot shout alternating into more conventional, melodic half-shouted Ramones style vocals, and his bandmates of varying personae carry a reasonable percussion and low-end rumble section, the latter nailing the eighth notes in a fast stream where required but often content to relax a laconic accentuation of chord change. "

You might even say this is overdoing it a bit.

Regardless, this in-depth analysis is the one and only reason I still
begrudgingly link to a few locations on the Anus.com domain from my site.

Now on to the important stuff.

IDEOLOGY:

In short, Anus.com is no better than the organized religion it denounces.
Their goal is to intertwine the more extreme forms of metal music directly into their nihilistic, anti-establishment, anti-Judeo/ Christian, pro-terrorist philosophy, and the ultimate goal seems to be the brainwashing of the meek, highly impressionable youth that happen find their way in there.

That to me sounds no different from a very similar Christian fanaticism.

The real problem here is that these people with their beliefs have managed to overlook the one factor which makes their mission completely null:

HUMAN NATURE

Scenario:
Human history had the chance to go back and start over, only this time monotheistic doctrines and organized religion were replaced with the ways of thinking detailed on the websites Prozac posted at the beginning of this thread.

So, where would we be today?
Dead?
In a state of centuries-long chaos?
Exactly as we are now, but with a whole new set of upstarts rebelling against the Prozac-types in power?

Nobody really knows, but I would bet the farm that we would be a HELL of a lot worse off as a civilization in this alternate future than we are on this very day.

Even under the best possible conditions, HUMAN NATURE would find a way to FUCK THINGS UP.
You can place any fucking tag you want on it, it is still the power-mad, the greedy, and the sadistic nature of the few that fuck it all up for the many.

This will NEVER change.

So get over it, and quit trying to impose your sick, demented will on others.

As for the posts gathered from YOUR Al Queda shithole of a message board?
I refuse to clutter up Warcorpse's fine forum with any more of this nonsense, so I will post them on my own webspace, at my convenience.
I am a very busy man, and have very little time to waste making all this shit readable and coding it up, for a bumbling fool like yourself.

Can't say I'm impressed with your last posts, S.R. Prozak. Looks like you have no arguments at all, when taken away from your niche, where the sheep all head for the same way. Can't you accept different points of view? Oh, that's very representative of Nazis...

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Originally posted by prozak666:
Ah, the gameplayers... with their deceptive illusions.

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Same for you!

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Fact is, you can't back up your statement, so step down.

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As stated in my last post, I don't even need to. You back my statements for me.

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And I'm still waiting for proof from you guys

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What else do you want, aside from what you (and Tangento, brilliantly) have provided on this very thread? I'm not the sharpest pencil of the bunch here, so I'm afraid I'm not getting your point.

Let's see if this works. This is what anus.com has to say about the "hero" Varg Vikernes:

Burzum

In a search for what black metal would become it became necessary to find out what it meant, and that leads us to a category of black metal bands who are "the conceptualizers," most notably, Burzum, Darkthrone and Immortal. However, it is only Burzum who exceeded the epic with the majestic in terrifyingly abstract and emotional music.

Created to "stimulate the fantasy of mortals," the music of Burzum is vengeance of chaos against the propagation of administrative and technological models for human existence, ideas which demand allegiance to rules and "morality," or the wisdom of mercy and social compromise as seen by Judeo-Christian technocratic society. Thrusting his fist in the face of that evident death-worship, Grishnack enfolds the rejected darkness in the lucidity of structure in the most forebodingly empty and threatening views of the world.

Total nihilism reduces its belief in inherent nothing to nothingness and from that builds to absolutist ideologies which avoid the emptines discovered; Burzum carries this passion in music and lyrics as well as artistic conception and presentation. The includes the darkly organic Pagan neo-Nazi post-Nietzschean philosophies which Varg spouts in fragments to a barely credible and barely listening press. He envisions his ideology and music as a continuation of Nazi Germany in the 1940s as a pagan revolution against Jewish and Christian (Judeo-Christian, including Islam) influence, notably "morality," against which not only Nietzsche but other influential thinkers have railed (Burroughs, Schopenhauer, Wittgenstein, Pound, Shaw).

While unorthodox to the tastes of the public, these political beliefs must be understood for the complex ideological system they express at the approach of the demise of a materialist civilization. In postmodernist thought, we learned that our society operates with a justified "text" of ostensible motivation, and a submlimated "subtext" of desires and natural passions. As society continues to crumble toward moralism in the midst of self-destruction, newer thinkers look away from Judeo-Christianity and Liberalism toward older modes of thought which valued the place of all of humanity in nature before the "moral worth" of the individual.

For more information on the Judeo-Christian basis to materialist civilization in the twentieth century, read Friedrich Nietzsche's "Genealogy of Morals," sections 7-10 (describes the virus of Judaism and Christianity as a cult of psychological dependency and need, resulting in sublimated sado-masochistic power-obedience behavior) or Vaclav Havel's "Power of the Powerless." Also, to understand Vikernes, it is useful to study Northern European culture in its origins from Asia to India, and its history as an independent and noble community that used naturalistic values for the basis of its social structure, in dramatic opposition to the materialist culture to come with the rise of Jewish and Christian immigrants to Europe.

Long before the first Christian appeared in a misty fjord, the Norwegian people had a socialist approach to family, an open and fearless society, a hierarchy of metaphorically symbolic gods, and a world-exploring culture. Their trading partners were mutually considered equals, and their women had more freedom than in any other society on earth. Their values reflected the least of Nietzschean "clever" or "lower" materialist values and the highest of materialist-transcendent "noble" or "warrior" values. During the occupation, Northern Europeans have modified capitalism/socialism and Christianity to their most benevolent forms ever while maintaining one of the nicest places to live in the world with the least hypocritical and vengeful moralistic influence of the civilized nations. European society has suffered its 1,000 years of Christianity and as pro-Judeo-Christian influences in politics and media build in America and the island England, desire for separatism and neutrality is on the rise.

As a result, Burzum stays controversial: not answered, not rebutted, not forgotten and not even carried on. This work is simply enduring as both music and ideological impact of emotion and action.

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Originally posted by Tangento:
The website has its merits.
There is no question about the competence of the writing staff and their grasp of musical theory, and their concepts concerning the transmogrification of metal music into its many forms over the years.

Especially impressive is the amount of detailed theory-oriented analysis can be found in a review of an album like say, D.R.I.'s 'Dealing With It', when most fans of the album it would settle for "it Kicks Ass"...

Example:

"Kurt Brecht, vocalist, executes formidable passages of high-speed text enunciation in a riot shout alternating into more conventional, melodic half-shouted Ramones style vocals, and his bandmates of varying personae carry a reasonable percussion and low-end rumble section, the latter nailing the eighth notes in a fast stream where required but often content to relax a laconic accentuation of chord change. "

You might even say this is overdoing it a bit.

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Can't say I totally agree with you, Tango.

Writing on the site is surely well done, but fails in what I belive is the most important thing: getting the reader's attention. It tries to achieve so much levels (music structure, performance, ideology, philosophy theory) that, by the end of the text, the one who's reading it gets tired. In the end, all the reader wants to know is, "does the album kick ass or not?", and I'm not sure the regular metalhead will know that by reading any of their reviews.

I just read that Burzum thing and hell!
I wanna buy a Burzum album now!

Although i dislike RACIAL hatred...I must say that i completely
agree with hatred for Religions.
Especially Christianity.

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For more information on the Judeo-Christian basis to materialist civilization in the twentieth century, read Friedrich Nietzsche's "Genealogy of Morals," sections 7-10 (describes the virus of Judaism and Christianity as a cult of psychological dependency and need, resulting in sublimated sado-masochistic power-obedience behavior).

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RIGHT ON!

Fight tha Power! lol!

Tangento: Thanks for the post, but I don't see the Nazism there, other than to state that perhaps Vikernes has a point. Maybe you're just too ready to condemn?

ANUS.COM aims for a certain kind of reader - many in this thread don't qualify.

And still, no proof of Nazism (which is required, when you make broad assertions like several people here did).

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Originally posted by prozak666:
Slaytanic: I wouldn't trust you to know anything about Nazism.

Tangento: Thanks for the post, but I don't see the Nazism there, other than to state that perhaps Vikernes has a point. Maybe you're just too ready to condemn?

ANUS.COM aims for a certain kind of reader - many in this thread don't qualify.

And still, no proof of Nazism (which is required, when you make broad assertions like several people here did).

Any of you guys make it through college?

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I think the 'college' is wearing off for you, Pro.
My post(s) had nothing to do with Vikernes.
Or Nazis.
Are you currently on any (other) prescription medications?

This is exactly what happened on your crippled Al Queda thread;
I posted some worthy rebuttals and raised some pertinent synesthetic metaphors,
and you fizzled away on me.

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Originally posted by prozak666:
ANUS.COM aims for a certain kind of reader - many in this thread don't qualify.

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Also, by deliberately misreading my message - a group reply - you show how defensive you are.

Another internet bitch fight - how amusing.

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Originally posted by prozak666:
Tangento: you still haven't produced this thread.

Well hello again, Mr Ignorant!
I have already explained all of this!
It would take well over two hours to make the thread readable.
There are two or 3 layers of quotes going on in many places,
and posted as it is now - it would make no sense whatsoever.
Frankly, I don't have that kind of time these days.
Especially to appease a blubbering hypocrite* like yourself.
(as ALREADY stated)

Also, by deliberately misreading my message(*) - a group reply - you show how defensive you are.

Deliberately misreading? are you serious?
THIS is what you wrote:

"Tangento: Thanks for the post, but I don't see the Nazism there, other than to state that perhaps Vikernes has a point. Maybe you're just too ready to condemn? "

It starts with "Tangento: " , and it is a group reply?
Are you really that retarded?

(internet bitch fight = 'Prozac' grappling with his own ignorance)

When're you going to grow balls and address the issue?

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My balls are in full bloom, thanks
When are you going to address my contention that you and your 'Anus'
are no better than or different from the fanatical Christians you denounce?

The fact that you conveniently ignored everything I wrote,
(see: hypocrite*)
...tells me that you accept ALL of it - not only as fact, but that you have no rebuttal whatsoever to any of it.

Clearly, it is time for you to go away;
utterly defeated and with pointed tail between cloven-hooved legs.

Thanks to anus.com for banning me. You showed all I need to know about you and the moderators of this most poisonous of metal websites.

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Originally posted by prozak666:
Your assertion is an insult, not a reasoned argument complete with any form of analysis. Thus, it received the address it deserves. If you wish to appear credible in the future, try rising above the standard of internet mud-slinging with reasoned argument, not canards. That's how educated and/or effective people do such things

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You people are a bunch of zionist kids. You get dressed up in evil looking clothes wanting to be hardmen. Your a bunch of fuckwits.

PROZAK IS CORRECT

Why do you brainless dildos only consider whites as rascist. Blacks and Asians are far more likely to commit na violent offence.

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Originally posted by Tangento:
[QB]I had a war of wits, words and degrading verbal annihilation
with this fucking clown and his nihilist moronic minions for about 3 weeks,
until it became clear that it was too much for them to bear and
ol' Prozac decided to pull the plug on his "oh so menacing"
piece of pigshit "al Quaeda" fucking thread.

I still have the whole thing on word pad somewhere. What a joke.
I took on the whole kaboodle of you ignorant fuckwads,
with little or no reputable retort to speak of.
[QB]

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Originally posted by prozak666:
[QB]Knicker: sounds like banning you was the right idea then. Who were you, again?QB]

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Funny, I was the one you posted a private message to agreeing with my opinion on Voivod on anus.com.

Strange how the mind can be so conveniently short. Does this ring any bells Unit83?

Knickerzohnonnof
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Member # 1276
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I'm sorry but this is as offensive as any other form of racial/religious hatred, and that includes all the massacres committed against pagans by religious fanatics during the middle ages. I don't dispute the need for change but this is not the answer, it just reeks of 'REVENGE!'. This is just turning the clock back and re-treading already well worn ground.

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unit83
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A bunch of words signifying nothing from you: you fear direct action, and thus call it revenge. Clever, but not smart.
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WE DON'T LIVE AND BREATHE LIKE OTHER PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE HATE THE HUMAN RACE.
http://tinyurl.com/869l

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Knickerzohnonnof
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I fear direct action?

How do you know this? Have you met me or something? I feel if I had met you there would have been tears, and they would not have been mine. You are unwise to make such dangerous assumptions.

It is revenge...What else could it be? Christians destroy pagan traditions, now so-called pagans (nihilists) want to repay the debt. Nazis try to exterminate the Jews, but get defeated before they get to complete this, now NS fanatics want to revisit this policy...That sounds like revenge to me.

But again, read what I say, I don't dispute the need for change. I just think racial/religious violence is not the way. Most people appear to be educated here, I am amazed the only solution you can come up with is one that was tried only 60 years ago. Your answer has already been practised in several countries in Africa recently, and look at the results. Poverty, starvation, chaos, and only the armies and the people who run them benefitting from the carnage. The reality is far grimmer than the theory, just as any of the survivors of the several ethnic conflicts in Africa.

What were you attempting to prove with the quoted excerpt? Looks like someone throwing around the word "Revenge" and then getting stuck at the realization that their accusations could be levelled at any form of ideology.

The veiled threat of violence? You stated I feared direct action as if you knew me. I merely responded in kind. There was nothing 'veiled' about it.

As for the excerpt...Well, you state that I got caught in my own reasoning, namely I could level that accusation at every ideology. Incorrect. I was pointing out that the course of action you wish to take has already been well practised. There is nothing new in your ideas, only perpetuation.