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Topic: After hearing the new songs...
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FantasticPlanet
VoivodFan
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posted January 02, 2003 16:45
    
Yeah, but Phobos sounded like dog shit production wise. Not to mention Eric's vocals consisted of only screaming. If that's what you like then cool? I grew very tired of that sound. The bass lines Eric displayed were simplistic at best due to double duty singing/vocals. I agree there were some good tunes but I only liked about 30% of the material with Eric. Not to mention Voivod live with Eric was very different from the Voivod of the aerly 90's, being that Voivod live with Eric sounded flat and one dimensional as opposed to earlier Voivod that was more a full package sound and perfromance wise. And this comes from a guy who has seen them at least a dozen times dating back to 1986.
The new songs though more simplistic sound great and refreshing to me. Everybody's expecting Nothingface or Dimension and I just think that's asking too much, I mean that was a long time ago and would be difficult to reproduce. Granted Piggy made the statement "Nothingface on steriods", I would chalk that up to a guy who would like to recreate the success they achvied on that record. A band has to evolve and I think they've done that, and believe me I'm no Newstead fan. In a perfect world Blacky would have been on the record. I'm happy the boys are at it again and lets not be to critical until we here the record all the way through. I mean fuck, you guys have only heard the "mainstream" sounding songs so far, let's be patient and wait till the record is out. Lastly, you can't blame the guys for making a product a little more mainstream? They are all approaching 40 if not already and probably would like to achieve more album sales. It's obvious they did'nt become rich with all those awsome records from the past and don't be too hard on the guys for trying to become a liitle more mainstream than before. I would like to see Voivod retire comfortably myself meaning Away, Piggy, and Snake.
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FantasticPlanet
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posted January 02, 2003 17:24
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Originally posted by Noitall:
Um, nobody retires on one record. And since when does turning 40 mean going mainstream? You can make edgy rock music, the Ramones did it, for example. I don't think anyone here wishes Voivod any ill will, this forum has always been about saying what you think, not what others might want you to say.
Really, So your saying that not one band out there has ever achieved enough record sales off of one record to live a good life? That's a joke. And I'm not talking about extravegant spending. Secondly, I would hardly call the new songs "mainstream". They may be more mainstream than their other records, but not to be confused with "Metallica" mainstream. As far as your last sentence goes, I totally agree with you, everyone has their own take and I respect that 100%. My whole point is that Voivod as an artist deserves a comfortable living off of the band the they've probably not achieved. We all know that they blown away 99% of band's out there on an artistic level alone. I hate that bands like Metallica are millionaires for putting out crap and the truly bad ass creative groups get nothing in the end. Who knows maybe a break through on this record would spark record sales with the older material? That would be cool!
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Foot
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Member # 60
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posted January 02, 2003 17:37
Hi, just thought I'd pop by seeing as I haven't checked out this site in a while and what do I find? Three new songs by one of the world's most unique bands. And these songs sound like every other "alternative" rock band since the Pixies. What the fuck?!! These three entirely lack everything that made Voivod cool (the chords, the time sigs, the multi-dimensional instrumentation, personality). These songs are boring. I couldn't wait for them to finish just to see if maybe the next song might sound like Voivod.After being shocked and dissappointed I took the time to acquaint myself with some of the posts here and the reaction seems to be mixed, tending towards let down. I would have thought these guys would have given up on trying to be commercially successful by now. They must be aware that their reputation is based on being a cult band. What good is success if it isn't on their own terms? I'd also like to comment on a few things FantasticPlanet said (cool movie BTW). This isn't meant as an attack, just a counterpoint to your statements. Yeah the sound of Phobos is trashy and I never thought Eric-era lyrics approached the bizarre poetry written for Nothingface but the music was uncompromising. It was aggressive and fit the concept. Voivod going to war with his god on these new songs? I don't hear it. The new songs sound simplistic and refreshing? If I want simple I have other musical resources that do it better. Besides isn't this ground already covered on AR and TOL (in a much more exciting manner, see "Freedoom"). I thought Voivod was about moving forward. This feels like regression. A comfort zone. I guess they are entitled to their share of success but it's sad to see this last ditch attempt. It seems a little desperate. I'm sorry I don't have anything more valuable to contribute than bitching but I felt the need to say something. If the rest of the album sounds like this, well... nothing good lasts forever. Time to spin KT and remember what innovation sounds like.
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Slaytanic
VoivodFan
Member # 28
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posted January 03, 2003 08:41
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Originally posted by Foot:
I would have thought these guys would have given up on trying to be commercially successful by now. They must be aware that their reputation is based on being a cult band. What good is success if it isn't on their own terms?
Err... Does a "cult band" reputation stuff the belly of a musician? Would any of you hide your skills to maintain your "integrity" or something, instead of getting a good job on a big corporation and have an acceptable way of life? Sorry, people, but that's too much an innocent way of facing life for me. I'm not saying they HAVE to sellout or something, but, in the other hand, it seems some of you guys are so disappointed with these songs not being the expected "nothingface on steroids" that you didn't notice they are actually good songs. And money, if it actually comes for them, doesn't hurt! Again, I'd rather listen to Voivod on the radio than any other shit that goes on. Or else, I challenge anyone to point me some "mainstream band" who lately did a better song than any of the Voivod promo!
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K
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posted January 03, 2003 09:39
Ok...I agree with Slaytanic. lol!I am totally amazed at how much whining most of you are doing over these three songs and how "Mainstream" you think they are. I wonder if some of you hated the Idea of Voivod working with Jason so much...that you developed a negativity toward the new songs before even hearing them! Then...when you finally heard them...you looked for all the weaknesses in it and started whining! "Waaaa...Snakes Voice is too weak and sounds funny..."
"Waaaa...It should have been Mixed differently..."
"Waaaa...Piggy is not being very Technical in the Music..."
"Waaaa...They have gone Mainstream..."
"Waaaa...They might get some Radio Airplay..."
...etc...etc... I have seen mostly whining and criticism around here lately and very little actual support for these really good songs. I've been listening to the 3 Promo songs...Nothingface...and Dimension Hatross...all in heavy rotation on my Stereo.
That way i could get a sense of how far Voivod has come between then and now.
I must say that 'We Carry On' has been playing through my head over and over...and its a really great song! Everyone should listen to this new stuff a bit more closely and let it grow on you a bit before flying off the handle with undue criticism of Voivod's new Radio-Friendly direction.
Like Slaytanic...i would gladly listen to this stuff on the Radio ANY Day...other than the 'Saliva' or other 'Nu-Metal' crappy Band. Let it be known... King Kula really digs the new Voivod songs.
They did a great job...as they always do. Cheers! 
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LyKcantropen
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posted January 03, 2003 10:15
I thought the songs were good, a LOT heavier and more complex than much of the stuff that I have heard in quite a while. I mean, these songs may be more 'mainstream sounding', but it's still 'Voivod-mainstream'! It's not like the promotional songs have acoustic guitars and slow, orchestral sections, nor has Piggy stapled a wah-pedal to his foot. I think there'll certainly be some of the old-Voivod sounding prog thrash, with fiddly time changes and screaming chords that aren't on any chord charts ever made!
And if you think about it, thirteen four minute songs = fifty two minutes of music. CDs can hold about seventy eight minutes, so there'll probably be some longer ones too...
There, my two cents. 
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FantasticPlanet
VoivodFan
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posted January 03, 2003 11:12
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Originally posted by King Kula:
Ok...I agree with Slaytanic. lol!I am totally amazed at how much whining most of you are doing over these three songs and how "Mainstream" you think they are. I wonder if some of you hated the Idea of Voivod working with Jason so much...that you developed a negativity toward the new songs before even hearing them! Then...when you finally heard them...you looked for all the weaknesses in it and started whining! "Waaaa...Snakes Voice is too weak and sounds funny..."
"Waaaa...It should have been Mixed differently..."
"Waaaa...Piggy is not being very Technical in the Music..."
"Waaaa...They have gone Mainstream..."
"Waaaa...They might get some Radio Airplay..."
...etc...etc... I have seen mostly whining and criticism around here lately and very little actual support for these really good songs. I've been listening to the 3 Promo songs...Nothingface...and Dimension Hatross...all in heavy rotation on my Stereo.
That way i could get a sense of how far Voivod has come between then and now.
I must say that 'We Carry On' has been playing through my head over and over...and its a really great song! Everyone should listen to this new stuff a bit more closely and let it grow on you a bit before flying off the handle with undue criticism of Voivod's new Radio-Friendly direction.
Like Slaytanic...i would gladly listen to this stuff on the Radio ANY Day...other than the 'Saliva' or other 'Nu-Metal' crappy Band. Let it be known... King Kula really digs the new Voivod songs.
They did a great job...as they always do. Cheers!
I agree 100%!!!
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posted January 03, 2003 08:43
