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Nuclear Vampire
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posted October 17, 2002 00:13     Profile for Nuclear Vampire   Email Nuclear Vampire     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Troy Gregory? I didn't know that. I have the cassette and it doesn't list who plays what so I assumed it was Jason since he co-wrote most of it. Oh, here we go: Troy co-wrote Misguided Fortune.
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Juan87
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posted October 17, 2002 00:43     Profile for Juan87   Email Juan87     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I DO hope Voivod gets famous so I can walk up to unsuspecting losers that bought their shirt because everyone else has one, and basically tell them either you listen to the fucking music or you don't.
:::
I wish all the world for those guys, and it's not about money or comercialism, it's just that they KICK ass and have been for ions, and they need some respect

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Skul
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posted October 17, 2002 01:04     Profile for Skul   Email Skul     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Slaytanic :
Must have been Troy on bass, but Jason (co)wrote almost every song on that album (this must include bass lines, correct me if I'm wrong ).

Yah, he wrote some of the bass lines, but so did Micheal Spencer (who actually replaced Jason but left before making the album). Mike actually sent me a pre-production demo cd of the early No Place for Disgrace stuff. Good stuff. So Troy played Jason's line and Mike's lines then added his own.

Here's part of the note that he sent with the cd:
"With what would have been songs on the future Sentinel
Beast album, Commencement & Forbidden Territories were the
first pieces of music I brought to Flotsa. After hearing
Kelly's drumming on these, I realized the difference that
great drummers can make to a song. Next to Gar Samuelson,
Kelly, as far as i'm concerned, was the best metal drummer
on the planet when it came to feel. The lyrics on FT are
about the movie Escape from New York. Escape From Within
was the working title on the next Sentinel Beast album we
were going to put out. We (The Beast) were working with
metal Blade on getting preproduction tapes completed for
our new album at the time i joined Flotsam. I brought the
title, concept and lyrics to the band, then Eric A.K. and
Eric Braverman contributed to the lyrics. Coup de Grace was
formerly a Beast song called The Phoenix. I originally
wrote it in the key of E, but morphed it up to a 5th to B to
give it a Flotsam feel like Der Fuhrer. I dont think it
ever reached its full potential before i left. This
recording takes it as far as we had gotten with it. I wrote
the lyrics to Blesing in Disguise after this recording was
completed. I had told Flotsam A&R guy Micheal Alago about
the title and concept and he loved it. He was envisioning
Blessing in Disguise as the title of the Flots album, but
after i left he ended up gifting it up to Metal Church (for
their new album title) who was also on Elektra. Check the
timeline if you're curious about it. What i remember the
most about Hard on You, is Kelly wanted me to show Troy
Gregory the walking bass line i did on the second half of
the verses because he thought it was a cool groove. The
bridge, solo rhythms, were my offerings to the song.
I believe Micheal Gilbert, who wrote the rest of the song,
came up with the music while playing along to the Eagles
song Victims of Love."


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schroeder
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posted October 17, 2002 06:00     Profile for schroeder   Email schroeder     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
DANA, regarding your last message: Damn good post...thanks.
I totally agree.

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Gerfat
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posted October 17, 2002 08:52     Profile for Gerfat   Email Gerfat     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok, so I'll have to relax and wait for the record to come out... But I ask you people, isn't some kind of "debate" cool to keep threads interesting??? It's good to see/read everyone's opinions about this!!! I love this Forum!!! V O I - fucking - V O D ! ! !
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Mr. Phobia
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posted October 17, 2002 17:21     Profile for Mr. Phobia   Email Mr. Phobia     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
sorry, people, but i was just posting nonsense that had nothing (or maybe everything) to do w/ the thread
...which certainly turned out to be a hodgepodge

your posts suprised me, hex
you and nothingface got right to the heart of the matter(s)

but, i'd like to add to the debate: anything that becomes a "#1 hit" or becomes massively popular can't be very good
for example, populica

?: just what in the fuck has gaysonic done that makes it so damn great
could you point me to a recording
i think it's mediocre
by "it", i mean poodleboy


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satan
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posted October 17, 2002 18:49     Profile for satan   Email satan     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
WTF do you mean by "Poodleboy?"

I would like for you to call him that to his face.


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nia
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posted October 17, 2002 19:28     Profile for nia   Email nia     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OMG, I'm agreeing with Satan, lol. You're entitled to your opinion Phobia, but you're discredting the point you're trying to make when you stoop to name calling.
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schroeder
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posted October 17, 2002 19:52     Profile for schroeder   Email schroeder     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gerfat:
Ok, so I'll have to relax and wait for the record to come out... But I ask you people, isn't some kind of "debate" cool to keep threads interesting??? It's good to see/read everyone's opinions about this!!! I love this Forum!!! V O I - fucking - V O D ! ! !

It's great to debate topics but it confuses me when some people who are suppose to be fans, think SO POORLY of the music that hasn't been made yet...why would you waste your time here if it's not what you like?

Here's a question for you:
If Nothingface or Dimension Hatross ended up selling multi platinum, how many here would then think Voivod SOLD OUT? I have a feeling some people base a bands creative ability on how FEW records they sell. "If it doesn't appeal to a lot of people it must be great, and I'm cool for being one of the few to like it" I had a friend in a band who was like that. He loved the first Pearl Jam album until it got the promotion it deserved a year after it was released and then he said it wasn't good anymore because too many people listen to it. HOW FUCKIN STUPID IS THAT!!! It's still the same great music no matter if 1500 people bought it or 10,000,000 people bought it.

yeah, I'm sure a lot of people on this board hate PJ and think they suck...BITE ME


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X-D
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posted October 17, 2002 20:02     Profile for X-D   Email X-D     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
All I gotta say is if Nothingface, Dimension Hatross, AND Killing Technology haven't already gone multi-platinum by this point, than there is no fuckin' justice in the world! Three of the best 10 records I've ever layed my ears upon!
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Skul
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posted October 17, 2002 20:58     Profile for Skul   Email Skul     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just youre ears bro? Hehe... I layed many a substance on these album covers.. Hell, i rolled many a joint using those LP's covers on my lap

Oh yah, and Pantera's Far Beyond Driven debuted at #1... and as far as i recall it was pretty brutal and pretty good, too.

So that whole theory = shit.


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schroeder
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posted October 17, 2002 21:44     Profile for schroeder   Email schroeder     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's a hypothetical question, to see if people here are more concerned about the music, or how many people like it. I'm sure it will never go platinum (unfortunatley), but I'm wondering if certain people will second guess just how great an album is if a million people beside themself also own it.

If I like something, I personally don'r give a shit what anyone else thinks about it...it's music!!!


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Nuclear Vampire
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posted October 17, 2002 21:45     Profile for Nuclear Vampire   Email Nuclear Vampire     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That fuckin' drives me nuts too. Admittedly, overplay on radio and ot TV can ruin a good song or album, but that's the nature of said beast. When a band sells a lot of records, good for them. If they purposely changed their musical direction for the sole purpose of selling those records, then they can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. But hey, it's their fucking band, they can do what they want. If I don't like it, I won't buy it. I'm just ranting here, I don't mean any particular group, I'm just generalizing.
But yeah, I hate it when people say dumb shit like a band isn't "true" anymore 'cause the new record actually has decent production. Some Black Metal fans are guilty of this. Same with some Punk rock fans. Mind you, what's "punk" nowadays is definetly a matter of debate.
I remember guys who totally dug Slayer until they did a video for Seasons In The Abyss. They figured Slayer sold out. Idiots. Same with these guys who used to listen to Red Hot Chili Peppers until Blood Sugar Sex Magic was all over the radio. Once the band wasn't "underground" I guess it just wasn't cool to like them. Bah! Bullshit.
Anyway, the new Voivod will rule and that's the bottom line 'cause I said so.

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Väinämöinen
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posted October 18, 2002 06:54     Profile for Väinämöinen   Email Väinämöinen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Good posts schroeder, NucVamp et al! That kind of fake elitism has got nothing to do with the music.

To mister Fear: what would make Jason "cool" in your eyes, then? What would he have to do to get respect from you? Should he give back all his wealth to Metallica and come up with a bunch of grindcore-black metal songs recorded on a shitty 4-track with some totally unknown Norwegian garage band and release only 82 copies of that? Or what?


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NightSod
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posted October 18, 2002 07:27     Profile for NightSod   Email NightSod     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm not sure I understand some people's logic in this debate?

Surely, only credit goes to Jase for leaving the commercially priviledged metal bands ever, to a band whose sound has always remained absolutely integrally theirs?
What other metal band have ever been as consistently challenging or interesting or just plain brilliant?
Jase has made his money, I assume, and surely must have ached to play music he adored.
I think reading politics into this decision is utterly unnecessary.
Oh and he is, without question, a fucking good player.
I can't remember looking forward to a new album more than this one.

As to it leading to a commercial rennaisance?
It would be nice to see the band with some financial muscle and therefore more power,
but I don't expect it.

I don't like to be elitist but I've alway suspected Voivod cream off the "top layer" of metal fans?

I'd like to see 'em wqith a christmas No. 1 though!


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Gerfat
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posted October 18, 2002 08:44     Profile for Gerfat   Email Gerfat     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey schroeder, I've never said that I wouldn't like a record that sells a million or trillion copies, my fan base is composed of A LOT of bands that sell many records, Slayer, Metallica, Venom, etc., I've only said that Jason's position was just like James Murphy (Death, Testament, Konkhra, etc.) moving between bands, trying to make HIS name popular or recognized, never minding about the bands he played in... A band need commitment between its members... Killing Technology, Dimension Hatröss and Nothingface were made in a time where VOIVOD were a fucking unit, and you can see the results... That's my point, but I've listened to all that has been said in this forum and I recognized that I have to wait for the album and see, that's all...
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nia
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posted October 18, 2002 10:02     Profile for nia   Email nia     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There have been times that I've seen a band go from tiny venues to stadiums and have thought back longingly to the days when I wasn't being hammered by drunk college guys in front of the stage. That doesn't mean I don't wish financial success on anyone, it just means I have to try and score a backstage pass to avoid the crush, lol. But I think that intensive media coverage can sour you on anything, not because it's not quality. It's like some of my friends. If I lived with them I would hate them, if I see them once in awhile I think they're cool. Seeing/hearing something everywhere can leave you feeling apathetic about it. But quite frankly I don't think the new Voivod record will get the same kind of media attention as a record like RHCP's Blood, Sex, Magik, so no worries.

If for Voivod Jason means the difference between being broke or making a record then I don't see the problem. Anyway, he can't be any worse than any of the previous players and no one debated whether Vince Peake, et al., were credible additions...


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Gerfat
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posted October 18, 2002 10:44     Profile for Gerfat   Email Gerfat     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hail to Noitall!!! You're completely right!!!!
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schroeder
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posted October 19, 2002 06:24     Profile for schroeder   Email schroeder     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gerfat:
Hey schroeder, I've never said that I wouldn't like a record that sells a million or trillion copies, my fan base is composed of A LOT of bands that sell many records, Slayer, Metallica, Venom, etc., I've only said that Jason's position was just like James Murphy (Death, Testament, Konkhra, etc.) moving between bands, trying to make HIS name popular or recognized, never minding about the bands he played in... A band need commitment between its members... Killing Technology, Dimension Hatröss and Nothingface were made in a time where VOIVOD were a fucking unit, and you can see the results... That's my point, but I've listened to all that has been said in this forum and I recognized that I have to wait for the album and see, that's all...

Now I understand what you're saying, and yes, it makes sense...although I thought James Murphy added a much needed kick in the ass to Testament when he joined. They became heavier and more groove oriented with him and made a step forward in their sound. I think if Alex remained in the band they would have started to become redundant (kinda like Slayer did). Alex leaving made it possible for him and Testament to expand their music, both in different directions.

Thanks for clearing up your point Gerfat.


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