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Skul
VoivodFan
Member # 19
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posted October 17, 2002 01:04
quote: Originally posted by Slaytanic : Must have been Troy on bass, but Jason (co)wrote almost every song on that album (this must include bass lines, correct me if I'm wrong ).
Yah, he wrote some of the bass lines, but so did Micheal Spencer (who actually replaced Jason but left before making the album). Mike actually sent me a pre-production demo cd of the early No Place for Disgrace stuff. Good stuff. So Troy played Jason's line and Mike's lines then added his own. Here's part of the note that he sent with the cd: "With what would have been songs on the future Sentinel Beast album, Commencement & Forbidden Territories were the first pieces of music I brought to Flotsa. After hearing Kelly's drumming on these, I realized the difference that great drummers can make to a song. Next to Gar Samuelson, Kelly, as far as i'm concerned, was the best metal drummer on the planet when it came to feel. The lyrics on FT are about the movie Escape from New York. Escape From Within was the working title on the next Sentinel Beast album we were going to put out. We (The Beast) were working with metal Blade on getting preproduction tapes completed for our new album at the time i joined Flotsam. I brought the title, concept and lyrics to the band, then Eric A.K. and Eric Braverman contributed to the lyrics. Coup de Grace was formerly a Beast song called The Phoenix. I originally wrote it in the key of E, but morphed it up to a 5th to B to give it a Flotsam feel like Der Fuhrer. I dont think it ever reached its full potential before i left. This recording takes it as far as we had gotten with it. I wrote the lyrics to Blesing in Disguise after this recording was completed. I had told Flotsam A&R guy Micheal Alago about the title and concept and he loved it. He was envisioning Blessing in Disguise as the title of the Flots album, but after i left he ended up gifting it up to Metal Church (for their new album title) who was also on Elektra. Check the timeline if you're curious about it. What i remember the most about Hard on You, is Kelly wanted me to show Troy Gregory the walking bass line i did on the second half of the verses because he thought it was a cool groove. The bridge, solo rhythms, were my offerings to the song. I believe Micheal Gilbert, who wrote the rest of the song, came up with the music while playing along to the Eagles song Victims of Love."
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Nuclear Vampire
VoivodFan
Member # 20
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posted October 17, 2002 21:45
That fuckin' drives me nuts too. Admittedly, overplay on radio and ot TV can ruin a good song or album, but that's the nature of said beast. When a band sells a lot of records, good for them. If they purposely changed their musical direction for the sole purpose of selling those records, then they can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. But hey, it's their fucking band, they can do what they want. If I don't like it, I won't buy it. I'm just ranting here, I don't mean any particular group, I'm just generalizing. But yeah, I hate it when people say dumb shit like a band isn't "true" anymore 'cause the new record actually has decent production. Some Black Metal fans are guilty of this. Same with some Punk rock fans. Mind you, what's "punk" nowadays is definetly a matter of debate. I remember guys who totally dug Slayer until they did a video for Seasons In The Abyss. They figured Slayer sold out. Idiots. Same with these guys who used to listen to Red Hot Chili Peppers until Blood Sugar Sex Magic was all over the radio. Once the band wasn't "underground" I guess it just wasn't cool to like them. Bah! Bullshit. Anyway, the new Voivod will rule and that's the bottom line 'cause I said so.
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NightSod
VoivodFan
Member # 133
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posted October 18, 2002 07:27
I'm not sure I understand some people's logic in this debate?Surely, only credit goes to Jase for leaving the commercially priviledged metal bands ever, to a band whose sound has always remained absolutely integrally theirs? What other metal band have ever been as consistently challenging or interesting or just plain brilliant? Jase has made his money, I assume, and surely must have ached to play music he adored. I think reading politics into this decision is utterly unnecessary. Oh and he is, without question, a fucking good player. I can't remember looking forward to a new album more than this one. As to it leading to a commercial rennaisance? It would be nice to see the band with some financial muscle and therefore more power, but I don't expect it. I don't like to be elitist but I've alway suspected Voivod cream off the "top layer" of metal fans? I'd like to see 'em wqith a christmas No. 1 though!
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Gerfat
VoivodFan
Member # 45
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posted October 18, 2002 08:44
Hey schroeder, I've never said that I wouldn't like a record that sells a million or trillion copies, my fan base is composed of A LOT of bands that sell many records, Slayer, Metallica, Venom, etc., I've only said that Jason's position was just like James Murphy (Death, Testament, Konkhra, etc.) moving between bands, trying to make HIS name popular or recognized, never minding about the bands he played in... A band need commitment between its members... Killing Technology, Dimension Hatröss and Nothingface were made in a time where VOIVOD were a fucking unit, and you can see the results... That's my point, but I've listened to all that has been said in this forum and I recognized that I have to wait for the album and see, that's all...
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nia
VoivodFan
Member # 9
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posted October 18, 2002 10:02
There have been times that I've seen a band go from tiny venues to stadiums and have thought back longingly to the days when I wasn't being hammered by drunk college guys in front of the stage. That doesn't mean I don't wish financial success on anyone, it just means I have to try and score a backstage pass to avoid the crush, lol. But I think that intensive media coverage can sour you on anything, not because it's not quality. It's like some of my friends. If I lived with them I would hate them, if I see them once in awhile I think they're cool. Seeing/hearing something everywhere can leave you feeling apathetic about it. But quite frankly I don't think the new Voivod record will get the same kind of media attention as a record like RHCP's Blood, Sex, Magik, so no worries.If for Voivod Jason means the difference between being broke or making a record then I don't see the problem. Anyway, he can't be any worse than any of the previous players and no one debated whether Vince Peake, et al., were credible additions...
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schroeder
VoivodFan
Member # 5
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posted October 19, 2002 06:24
quote: Originally posted by Gerfat: Hey schroeder, I've never said that I wouldn't like a record that sells a million or trillion copies, my fan base is composed of A LOT of bands that sell many records, Slayer, Metallica, Venom, etc., I've only said that Jason's position was just like James Murphy (Death, Testament, Konkhra, etc.) moving between bands, trying to make HIS name popular or recognized, never minding about the bands he played in... A band need commitment between its members... Killing Technology, Dimension Hatröss and Nothingface were made in a time where VOIVOD were a fucking unit, and you can see the results... That's my point, but I've listened to all that has been said in this forum and I recognized that I have to wait for the album and see, that's all...
Now I understand what you're saying, and yes, it makes sense...although I thought James Murphy added a much needed kick in the ass to Testament when he joined. They became heavier and more groove oriented with him and made a step forward in their sound. I think if Alex remained in the band they would have started to become redundant (kinda like Slayer did). Alex leaving made it possible for him and Testament to expand their music, both in different directions. Thanks for clearing up your point Gerfat.
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